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Originally Posted by Theophylact

C'mon, cyphen, don't pretend to be naive. That rider was slipped into an appropriation bill that practically nobody had read in its entirety. Even if the Democrats had wanted to amend the bill to remove this crap, the Republican leadership wouldn't have allowed a vote on the merits. It was $20 million out of about $300 billion, and withholding approval of the overall bill would have had the Republicans screaming "Support the troops!" So, yes, they voted for it, and no, they weren't happy about it.

Be realistic: polls or no polls, there's an election coming up. The Republicans are doing their level best to commit suicide. Why should the Democrats say, "Excuse me, but may we borrow your rope for a minute?"

Originally Posted by cyphen

Soooo... what then, they were selling out their anti-war values??? They govern by poll? What's the upside for the lefites here, Theo?? Makes 'em look about as tough as spaghetti if you ask me...

Both sides are dead wrong here and you guys are arguing trying to justify them!!

Theo, the Democrats saying "The Devil made me do it!" Just doesn't work here.
That mentality is part of the problem.
The Democrats should ask to borrow the rope, but you are right they won't because they are also cowards that don't give a crap about anything but themselves.

Cyphen, don't you have anything to criticize about the party money put in the bill?

Are people here so polarized in partisanship they can't see past the end of their noses?

Originally Posted by cunokyle

Both are equally accountable for their votes.

Thank you cunokyle!