June 17th, 2004, 12:06 PM #1
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Laptop upgrade windows 95' to 98' please help
I have an old compaq armada laptop which had windows 95 on it and I have started going about upgrading to 98'. The computer wouldn't startup in normal mode only safe mode and that was only if i got lucky. So i went into prompt and typed in c:/s and it said that it formated the drive completely. I have a 98' dell reinstallation cd which i have been trying to use to install 98'. However i tried to enter "cd win98" and it says invalid directory. The cd is in the D drive. I have tried prompting the d drive an c drive both saying invalid directory. Im basically just trying to install windows 98 now... Please help.... thanks in advance
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June 17th, 2004, 12:52 PM #2
Others may dispute me and for your sake I hope they are right.
From my experience the Dell reinstallation disk is not a complete 98 installation disk and also it will detect that your machine is not a Dell and stop the installation.
I'm not certain but it may be possible to edit the files on the disk and reburn a copy that will work.
June 17th, 2004, 07:35 PM #3
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Does anyone know if the dell recovery cd has the complete installation for windows 98 second edition? There must be hidden files because for some reason my computer keeps saying invalid directory when i type "cd win98".... Please help
June 17th, 2004, 07:39 PM #4
I think the Doctor is right, but just for the sake of arguement, when you say that you type "cd win98" that is not actually what your typing right?"It's not mankind I don't like, it's the people."
June 18th, 2004, 01:07 AM #5
I remember an old trick on emachines was to run the restore cd, then after it had unpacked the win98 install directory, I would just hit the pause button then reset it with a DOS boot disk in the drive... viola, a vanilla win98 install!
I dunno if something like that could work for you or not
June 23rd, 2004, 12:30 AM #6
Sorry to not have gotten back to you B4 this. Later the same day I made my first post to you, I was very involved in a conference and the answer to one of you problems smackeded me in the face. Why I thought of it then I don't know but it blatently obvious. I'm a little ashamed I didn't see it immediately. This involves the error message "invalid directory."
I bet I'm correct in assuming that you are booting the machine with a 98, 98se or ME start up floppy. All three of these start up disks create a RamDisk, essentially a virtual HD to speed installing of the OS, AND (this is the biggie) the RamDisk is assigned the D: drive. All of your other physical drives, in this case your CD drive, is bumped up one letter to E: After the installation is complete the RamDisk ceases to exist. On the first actual boot of 98, Windows will then reassign your drive letters i.e. your CD will be D:
When you go to the E: drive and type in the DOS command: cd win98 it will change you to the win98 directory on the CD.
I'm still five nines certain that the DEll reinstallation disk will not work for you but I'd be glad to be wrong this time. I actually have a couple of the Dell Win98SE reinstallation disks myself. At the time I saw them being thrown out I grabbed a couple thinking, "Kewl, just inc ase my retail 98se disk ever was damaged I had a backup copy. I tried to use the Dell disks one time to do a reinstall. I couldn't. As I recall, OEM disks like this do not have all the CABS or something essential in the CD's Win98 folder. Some OEM's like Dell, Gateteway and many others etc put a hidden partition on your HD and the missing files or whatever are put in that hidden partition and there are instructions to go to that hiddem partition to get the needed files. I also recall that I tried to figure out what was missing and adding them various ways thinking I could outsmart Dell or whoever. Then I ran into another roadblock in that somehow it could check your machine and if it wasn't a Dell, the OS was halted. I conceded. They are pretty sneaky. I'm sure that given more time it could be figured out and a fully functioning 98se CD could be reburned but I just didn't want to go to the effort since 2000 and XP were out and 98 was becoming a dinosaur.
If in the next few, a brainstorm hits me solving this problem I'll be sure to share it but don't hold your breath.
And samwichse may have a great point. Try it and let us know it you can make it work. I think I'll add his tip to my 98 stuff and next time I try a reinstall I'll try it.
I have to be pessamistic on this working because I think Dell has some little program that first checks to see if it is a Dell mschineand if not you stonewalled. I'm guessing that emachines may not have made their OEM disks as elaborate Mr. Dell did.
Again sorry to have not been able to get back to you sooner.
June 23rd, 2004, 02:42 AM #7
As far as I know, you're lucky to get an old Compaq running correctly with its own Restore Disks. Those things would freeze up on shutdown if you installed a legit full copy. They only wanted their own setup.RayH42450@gmail.com
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June 23rd, 2004, 04:00 PM #8
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Ok so I should switch to the E drive in the dos command and type in cd win98. Then will the dir run or will i have to switch back to D drive and type in cd win98? Thanks a lot so far...Matt
June 23rd, 2004, 04:13 PM #9
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go to e: drive and do "dir"...see what shows up...."Even a fool is thought to be wise if he is silent"
June 23rd, 2004, 04:31 PM #10
Re: the boot disk you're using. Does it have cd-rom drivers on it?
June 24th, 2004, 10:42 AM #11
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I'm not sure. I am using a Dell reinstallation disk for windows 98 SE. I have a copy of windows 98 SE however its not on disk, its a file right now. I won't have my computer until this weekend so ill get back to you guys to let you know what it says when i type dir under the e drive. Thanks a lot! -Matt
June 27th, 2004, 09:00 AM #12
Let me ask a more fundamental Question:
Errr...Why upgrade ?
First of, your old Compaq Armada probably doesn't have enough memory to run itself in WIN95 --unless you considerbly upgraded the memory -- let alone in WIN98SE. I mean in its native Apps and with multitasking., not just Install.
Many machines that had WIN95 instaled on them were really built for M$3.1x, and the WIN95 was just slapped in at the last moment to increase the price . Or just plain sell it.
So basically you are starting with HW that was probably never meant to see the light of WIN98(err..you don't say if its "FE" or SE), so you really have to ask yoursekf, "Why bother?"
Compaq, I recall, used proprietary memory so getting Lappy modules that will install on its probably two slots --whicch are probably both used up--will be very expensive and difficult, most likely.
Your lappy, does it have USB ports ?
Why not just expand that energy on working out some way it can still be useful under WIN95. Maybe just as a Wordprocessor for someone in need of one and to save wear and potential damage tp a modern Lappy.
I once had a WIN95 Canon Lappy and I explored every possibly way to upgrade it. Geee, for $400 I could have a 16Mb machine, and a CD-ROM wqould cost extra. The battary could no longer hold a charge so it was a laptop in name only.
My modest advice --and I apologize for not answering the Question exactly as you put it, but either accept its WIN95-hood, or try to find an older version of , say, Mandrake and turn it into a Linux box.
I'll let da PenguinHeads try to answer whether that can be done !
June 27th, 2004, 09:56 PM #13
When you type in dir the directory on the drive will be displayed. This would work if you went to C: and typed in dir You would see the entire directory on your C: hard drive displayed on your monitor.
Next, MegalosSkylaki has some valid considerations. I did google Compaq Armada and depending on which specific model you have etc. 98 could rum "adequately" (although never blistering" on some of the Armadas.
Would you please give us the make and model, amount of RAM, HDD size etc. and members can better recommend to you what to do.
I do not know about the proprietary RAM but again members will help you find out what you have and need and if itís feasible.
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