This is the type of person who impresses me

**Jüš† ä gü¥** · July 19th, 2003, 11:08 PM

http://www.muppetlabs.com/~breadbox/...ny/teensy.html

How cool is that???

A guy who can make a program which will run on Linux and the program is only 45 bytes, INCLUDING header information/etc....

**vass0922** · July 19th, 2003, 11:35 PM

funny considering smallest vb app is like 500k

**Jüš† ä gü¥** · July 19th, 2003, 11:52 PM

Originally posted by vass0922
funny considering smallest vb app is like 500k

Of course, if you want the absolute smallest program possible, that would be a DOS .com filetype program of 1 byte.

The byte would be 0x90, more commonly known as NOP.

I would not recommend running that program, though, as control would quickly pass from the NOP to the random bytes in memory after that/etc/etc, and you can have a fun time doing who knows what???

**ArcticFox** · July 20th, 2003, 12:32 AM

Well, the dude that wrote it has a point. Windows is a fat tub of lard compared with even the biggest Linux distro's, and that's probably why your framerate in games improves when you switch to the penguin

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**Siliconjunkie** · July 20th, 2003, 12:51 AM

Originally posted by ArcticFox
Well, the dude that wrote it has a point. Windows is a fat tub of lard compared with even the biggest Linux distro's, and that's probably why your framerate in games improves when you switch to the penguin .

Hmmm, windows (any version but XP Media Center) 1 CD, RH is 3 for the install and then more for sources. I woudn't go as far as saying compared to the whole distro. A basic install, yes. But with real functionality they are comparable.

And, I couldnt see what the 45byte executable does. Does't really matter if it doesn't do anything.

**Scott Tiger** · July 20th, 2003, 01:18 AM

Originally posted by Siliconjunkie
Hmmm, windows (any version but XP Media Center) 1 CD, RH is 3 for the install and then more for sources. I woudn't go as far as saying compared to the whole distro. A basic install, yes. But with real functionality they are comparable.

No they're not really comparable - it's an apples to oranges comparision at best. You will get a lot more in the way of utilities and applications with a defualt install of am mainstream distro of Linux than you would with any version of Windows - no one could argue against that.

But as for Linux getting higher framerates in games than Windows.. well, that all depends on the game and what it was optimized for. This goes way beyond the type of operating system used. I'm all for Linux but statements like this are really misleading and will certainly cause disappointment among those who give Linux a try with the intention of raising thier framerates. I think I get about half the same framerate in RedHat that I do in XP when playing UT2003 @ 1280x1024.

edit: for readability

**ArcticFox** · July 20th, 2003, 01:59 AM

Well, what I meant was the overall slim-and-trim-ness of each OS. Windows takes up a whole CD by itself: and while Drake/RedHat etc have 2 (three for international support) CD's, they come with almost everything you need to do your stuff.

**samwichse** · July 20th, 2003, 02:14 AM

Perhaps you should specify that GL games get better framerates?

In UT2003, it uses directx as the primary renderer in windows, with GL as a secondary (less optimized) option. So when you switch to linux, the only option you have is a poorer OpenGL implementation. The same goes for Serious Sam.

But, any Quake 3 based game designed for pure GL... mmm

Sam

**Scott Tiger** · July 20th, 2003, 01:12 PM

Samwiches is right on the money with his explanation. OpenGL generally gives better performance in Linux than in Windows. So you can expect higher framerates in the Quake based games.

With most of the others.. no.

**vass0922** · July 20th, 2003, 01:21 PM

SJ, it wasn't the fact that it was an executable that was really small. It was just that he made something that did SOMETHING at 45 bytes which is VERY small for any application (obviously considering the basic nature of it).

Obviously no sane person is going to go through a full scale application and try to optimize to that level.

Its just like climbing a mountain. Why in the world would anybody WANT to? Because they can

Its just impressive what a person can do with the right knowledge.

... and just a guy, come on.. at least his application did something