Microsoft is Ridiculous

jmichna · November 2nd, 2003, 08:38 PM

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Originally posted by DanGrease
...Why should he pay the same amount that he paid for the previous suite when he had paid so much for the previous in a short period of time ago. He also said that he wanted to buy this new version because the previous was getting slow and giving problems. I just tought 'Man, I can imagine how many people can be fooled from big companies to pay a lot of money since they are people that are ignorant that dont know much about these computer stuff' After that again more bla bla bla and I say the brain wash happening and boom he bought the most expensive version of this suite to see if it would fix his problems.

In this particular situation DanGrease has described, the problem doesn't appear to be with MS as the "evil big business" but rather with an ignorant (not stupid) customer who is experiencing performance slowdown, almost certainly in no way connected with the version of MS Office he is running, and then allowing himself to be convinced by a salesperson (IMO, the real "evil entity" in Dan's example) that the latest and greatest Office suite will be just the thing to fix the customer's "problem." The "big company" that fooled this cutomer was his local "computer supermarket."

Office 2003 is definitely aimed toward businesses... it offers all kinds of new content protection, improved .NET and database connectivity, copy/print protection, etc. Many of these features can't be used unless both the sender and the recipient are running Office 2003. It really is a "business oriented" application.

sfw1960 · November 2nd, 2003, 08:58 PM

Please describe " business oriented " ....
Is it the fine 'art' of patting someone on the shoulder , while shaking one's hand ~ whilst giving it to them from behind??
lol

originel · November 2nd, 2003, 09:29 PM

that's exactly the problem...it is oriented towards businesses, and yet people still feel the need to upgrade. MS puts this product in stores like compusa, bestbuy, etc. Normal home users generally go here to buy their computer products and see this new product sitting on the shelf and so they ask if they need it (most ignorant people don't know the difference between home and office software anyways).

Also it is implied that this person was a home user, not a business user, and yet the salesman STILL tried to sell him this product. So once again it comes to the user being ignorant and the corporation taking advantage of him. Personally i see 3 distinct problems here: (1) Microsoft has done little to distinguish the products for home and office use. i still have people tell me that they want XP Pro over XP Home because they are ignorant and don't realize that pro is for business use, not upgraded home use. I'm sure that MS has no problem with this because they reap more profits this way and will continue their tradition of ambiguiosity. (2) The store salesmen are either ill-informed or driven by incentives to sell a product whether or not the customer truly needs it, either of which i have serious issues with (i think this is a bigger problem than microsoft's problem). (3) the user has no idea what he is doing. Maybe this is just me but if i am about to make a large purchase (which office DEFINTILY qualifies as) then if i don't understand the difference between two products then i research them first and i NEVER buy something immediately. Also you never trust a salesman...they are to be considered lowly puddles of scum. he should have done his research. Unfortunately i would say the majority of people don't do this and are ignorant and just accept computers as being "expensive" and that is their justification for spending a lot.

it's all messed up in my opinion

VHockey86 · November 2nd, 2003, 09:38 PM

I think its a little far to call anyone who uses a microsoft product "stupid and ignorant"

You're stereotyping wayyy to much here

I happen to think Microsoft Office XP is very nice software. I've use it and OpenOffice and OpenOffice still has a long way to go (but its free), so u have a trade off.

Microsoft Operating systems arent really as bad as people make them out to be either. Sure they tend to have a heck of alot of bugs, but so does linux. Linunx OS are continueally being updated and improved fixing bugs, its just that someone who actualy uses linux prolly does the updates. Windows has a few years between official releases, obviously theres going to be alot of patches along the way.

speedstik · November 2nd, 2003, 10:04 PM

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Its all about the money. And most of the people are stupid and ignorant and make these 'brainwash' companies richer everyday.

.... including the sales people!

DanGrease · November 2nd, 2003, 10:17 PM

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I think its a little far to call anyone who uses a microsoft product "stupid and ignorant"

I use a lot of Microsoft products and that doesnt mean I am ignorant or stupid, you got my point wrong. Ingorant is the one who recently bought Office XP and paid a lot for it, goes to the store, the salesman 'brainwashes' him a bit with his bla bla bla about how this product is a miracle and that person falls onto Microsofts plans for 'ingorant' people and he buys the very expensive product that he doesnt have to have since he got an excellent suite already, now he paid so much money for a small upgrade and more 'cool' tools. That is what I call an ignorant and also sometimes stupid person. I didnt want to offend people that use Microsoft products. Most people using computers do anyways so it would be like saying the mayority of us are ignorants. Microsoft's targets are these people and even if this suite is for business only (at least IMO) they dont show that and home users will buy this product anyways.

dan

DanGrease · November 2nd, 2003, 10:21 PM

Also for what the mayority uses their Office suite from Microsoft OpenOffice will be just fine for them but since they dont know these products they still pay a lot of money on stuff that they will take a 40% advantage of.

dan

Dj-Icer · November 2nd, 2003, 10:43 PM

i can see no way i can hate a programme. it has helped millions people on earth and somehow i come up hating it. no matter what, im having no problem, though i still think there are programs that are better than microsoft.

DanGrease · November 2nd, 2003, 10:59 PM

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Originally posted by Dj-Icer
i can see no way i can hate a programme. it has helped millions people on earth and somehow i come up hating it. no matter what, im having no problem, though i still think there are programs that are better than microsoft.

True it has helped and all, but don't you think Microsoft exagerate on the prices of their products just because they know they will sell no matter what price it is since its a well know brand and also because the rule the 'ingorant' people by brainwashing them? I think they have gone a bit too far.

dan

Dj-Icer · November 2nd, 2003, 11:21 PM

into some areas, yes, their programs are becoming extremely expensive though, especially for the normal people. but for desperate people who wants to work on it on their business, they would go for it, not matter what.
i understand that most of us down here work on microsoft for basic needs and the cost of the program is too high. they give a very good program for us to use, perhaps it wouldve taken them years to develop it. im not saying we should take a good look at that but in the end, microsoft doesnt care anyone of us because people still buying their program no matter what