Devry University vs. ITT Tech

[famosbrown]

If all you want is your certifications, just go pay 15,000 bucks at New Horizons. They will teach you and certify you in A+, Network+, MCSE +S or +M (whatever you want), and CCNA. They have didfferent programs for you to choose from depending on what certs you are trying to get. They also guarantee a 3 month internship after gaining your certifications that 99% of the time ends up as a full-time offer from the company. they also offer many hands-on labs and simulations for you to get dirty and see exactly what you would be doing in the field, instead of just reading from a textbook and taking tests.

Experience is key...like what was said above...but certifications and degrees will get you in the door. It all depends on the position and the qualifications a specific company is looking for. My bachelor's degree got me in the door, and now I'm back in school getting certified while working. The more I add on to my resume, the more bargaining power I have...I just negotiated a 10,000 dollar raise for this year due to me gaining just the A+ and Network+ certifications and just showing proof of my pursuit of other certifications. Some companies will take you without the experience because they want to groom and mold you for their needs only, and then there are those who want to hire the already groomed I.T. professionals, but usually those price tags are 85,000 dollars or more per year jobs that companies would be wasting money on an inexperienced certified or degreed I.T. Professional.

But again...if your goal is just certification, then don't waste money on a Devry or ITT. You could even go to a local college for much cheaper to get a Networking degree of some sort for even cheaper than one of the certification programs through New Horizon.

Famos

EDIT: Oh, and if you are looking at jobs with the FBI (depending on which ones), having the certified ethical hacker and forensic (can't remember exact cert name) certifications looks REAL good to them!! I have a sister who works for them, but even she couldn't get me in due to the positions I applied for and my lack of experience and background. Hey...I saw 112,000 per year, so I applied !

[famosbrown]

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Originally Posted by keitkeit

This isnt correct. Credits have limited transferrablility, but the degrees can be transferred. Lets say you have an associates from bachelors from ITT and want to go to a university for your masters. The bachelors from ITT will be recongnized by most universities.

Just thought i should let everyone know this.

It all depends on what school you go to...MANY schools have heavy restrictions about transferring credits from a school such as DeVry, ITT, or some private schools. Sometimes they don't accept because they don't offer the same courses at their school, or they feel that the the class you took at the other school wasn't the same quality or worth in their opinion to award you that credit transfer, or it could be that they just won't accept any credits from that school and will make you take them over or find another college who will accept them. I've seen MANY students transfer to my school and have heard of many other students leaving a school as a junior, then transferring to be a Freshman/sophmore again due to credits not transferring over.

Famos

[Bootlegger]

Holy crap! $80,000 for a degree at tech school? Seriously? Uh, no thanks! I'm getting my Bachelors Degree (a real degree) from a four year University for almost a quarter of that--along with a semester spent studying abroad in Scotland. I'm sorry, but $80,000 is a joke for that type of school. If you want opportunities, get a four-year degree.


P.S. I love all the people in this thread crying about how the IT industry is dead. Seriously, shut up. Just because you can't find a job doesn't mean you need to dim others' hopes. "But there aren't any IT jobs out there... wahhh wahhh wahhh... ". Um, well, let's see here: I just landed an internship at a Fortune 500 company making $18/hour. Yes, that is an INTERNSHIP. And they said they wouldn't hesitate to hire me if I perform well. In conclusion, you people need to shut it.

[famosbrown]

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Originally Posted by Bootlegger

Holy crap! $80,000 for a degree at tech school? Seriously? Uh, no thanks! I'm getting my Bachelors Degree (a real degree) from a four year University for almost a quarter of that--along with a semester spent studying abroad in Scotland. I'm sorry, but $80,000 is a joke for that type of school. If you want opportunities, get a four-year degree.


P.S. I love all the people in this thread crying about how the IT industry is dead. Seriously, shut up. Just because you can't find a job doesn't mean you need to dim others' hopes. "But there aren't any IT jobs out there... wahhh wahhh wahhh... ". Um, well, let's see here: I just landed an internship at a Fortune 500 company making $18/hour. Yes, that is an INTERNSHIP. And they said they wouldn't hesitate to hire me if I perform well. In conclusion, you people need to shut it.

I agree about the job industry, but I don't think you need to flame at others here. It is their opinion you know . They could be in an area where the I.T. industry just isn't it anymore or something. Good job with that internship. What will you be doing? What company? I hope they are paying you more than 18/hour if they bring you on full-time after you attain your degree.

Famos

[Bootlegger]

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Originally Posted by famosbrown

I agree about the job industry, but I don't think you need to flame at others here. It is their opinion you know . They could be in an area where the I.T. industry just isn't it anymore or something. Good job with that internship. What will you be doing? What company? I hope they are paying you more than 18/hour if they bring you on full-time after you attain your degree.

Famos

Yeah, I did come on harsh. But come on, they don't need to obfuscate other job seekers' hopes with such comments. Atleast back it up if you're going to mention things like that.

Thanks for the comments on the internship. **EDIT: I think it would be in my best interest not to mention the company. **. I will be working on several projects--some small, some fairly large. They didn't go into much detail during the interviews, but one of the projects will consist of implementing a gigabit ring and then bringing in DS3s to different locations. It should be interesting and quite the experience.

And, of course the salary would increase, provided I was hired. As to what it would be, I'm not so sure. I'm sure it wouldn't be too shabby, especially if they pay interns $18/hour.

[famosbrown]

Sweet...sounds like you will be doing some good stuff there. good ol' reliable ring. And that's cool about not mentioning the companies name...I totally understand...especially when they are paying interns 18/hour to learn and get experience . Good luck!!

Famos

[teacherlady]

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Originally Posted by csvetfor35yrs

I hate to upset fellow techies, especially the younger ones who are trying so hard to get into the field/business. Whenever I read someone discussing DeVry or ITT Tech I want to take the folks to who run those schools and shake them by the legs until they refund all of the money that they've taken from people who, for whatever reason or reasons, actually thought that they were going to be able to get some nationally recognized degree for either less money or in less time than from a so-called traditional school. If you want a real degree; that is to say, one that will be recognized by *all* of the other traditional schools and corporate entities, then you need to stay away from places like DeVry and especially ITT Tech. I'm not implying that they are incapable of teaching. I'm not implying that their students do not learn things that are extremely important and useful. Those points are not at all at issue. For example, take ITT Tech. Look very very closely at the papers that you sign when you enroll. Your credits will have "limited transferability". This means that, should you wish to get a degree from a traditional (real) school, you will have to start over......very nearly from scratch. I have had applicant after applicant come to me, all brighteyed and excited by the fact that they were sporting some newly conferred "degree" from a place like ITT. I feel so sorry for them. Sorry that they were taken advantage of by such so-called "schools". Do yourself a favor. Stay away from them. At the very least, do extensive research on their "graduates". See where they have gone and what they have done; not just a select one or two here and there, but all of them.

I teach for both DeVry and ITT. This is my first and last term at ITT. DeVry is a great place in our area. (I've been on staff at DeVry since early 2002.) The teaching staff is terrific, knowledgable, proffessional and concerned about student progress.

Teaching at ITT is a joke. This is the most unprofessional organization I have ever been involved with. I would resign immediately but with the term just 4 weeks from being over, that would cause more harm to my students. My personal ethincs make me do what is best for students by completing the term. I did not agree to return when asked by the ITT staff.

I'll stick with DeVry!

[brentonb1]

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[teacherlady]

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Originally Posted by brentonb1

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A friend of mine with no computer experience beyond AOL basics, came to me the end of June last year and told me they would be A+, MCSE and MCDBA certified by Labor Day. I laughed and said I didn't think that would happen!

I came to find out that Workforce Central Florida was paying for classes at New Horizons for my friend and that he was starting classes the next week. His first class was TCP/IP, which you probably know comes in the middle of the series for MCSE certification. He was so lost in the class. His A+ classes were in August!

It seems that New Horizons went after the buck and had no concern about progress and accomplishment at all.

My friend took the classes, passed no exam at all and is working in a call center as a telemarketer. This was a big waste of Workforce Central Florida's money!

[brentonb1]

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Originally Posted by teacherlady

A friend of mine with no computer experience beyond AOL basics, came to me the end of June last year and told me they would be A+, MCSE and MCDBA certified by Labor Day. I laughed and said I didn't think that would happen!

I came to find out that Workforce Central Florida was paying for classes at New Horizons for my friend and that he was starting classes the next week. His first class was TCP/IP, which you probably know comes in the middle of the series for MCSE certification. He was so lost in the class. His A+ classes were in August!

It seems that New Horizons went after the buck and had no concern about progress and accomplishment at all.

My friend took the classes, passed no exam at all and is working in a call center as a telemarketer. This was a big waste of Workforce Central Florida's money!

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