Thread: Cert suggestions
September 11th, 2007, 01:20 AM #1
At the beginning of this year I took a job doing technical support for a few online schools. Much of it consists of your basic IE settings though some of it is a bit more technical at times. Anyway, I'm looking at certifications as a way to improve on what I know (which isn't much compared to many of you!) and was wondering where I should begin. The A+ is on the list to start (any recommended study guides would be appreciated), but where do you think I should go from there? I'd like to move away from the phones and maybe do some Help Desk work. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
September 11th, 2007, 07:38 AM #2
A+ is always a good starting point. Exam cram books are great for those comptia certifications.
September 11th, 2007, 06:25 PM #3
there was a book released call the ultimate A+ guide i believe and it covers the new 07 A+ and the three diffrent branches. Its something like 1300 pages and includes a resource CD with sample tests ... only thing is its like 70 bucks after the discount on amazon.
September 12th, 2007, 03:23 AM #4
I think you two are talking about the same book.. it should be here later today.
What other certs would you suggest I pursue?
September 12th, 2007, 07:23 AM #5
Network+ is good for those who finish the A+. Its a good introduction to networking
After that you will need to decide where you want to go from there.
September 12th, 2007, 03:13 PM #6
I've heard that the MCSA and MCSE qualifications are to be stopped at the end of December, with new ones in their stead. Anyone who already has their MSCx will keep that status, but you can't get it if you haven't done so already.
So far I've done two of the four MCPs req'd for the MCSA, namely XP Pro and W2k3, so I'm fully intending to get the other two done before the year is out. The thing I'm not so sure about is whether I'd be able to do an upgrade from MCSA to whatever is replacing the MCSE...
Has anyone else heard about this..? Does anybody know what the situation is..? Does this even affect any other TIMO-ers..?
If this is true then I feel sorry for anyone who's just starting out on the current MCPs, who may have only just passed the first exam to find out that it was (kind of) in vein and/or a (bit of a) waste of time...
September 12th, 2007, 05:18 PM #7
I've found a link, don't know how accurate it is, but I'm checking it now...
September 12th, 2007, 05:22 PM #8
First i have heard of that. I just completed my MCSA 2003 in the beginning of the month. And honestly i could careless about keeping up with the certifications. I've started back into my CCNP and probably will not go back mainly because there is more money in those doing Cisco stuff than MS stuff.
However the end of life for 2000 certifications is nothing new, MS has always retired old operating systems. W2k3 has been out since April 24, 2003, that is 4 years. Why would people still be trying to work on getting a certification for an outdated OS? There really isn't that HUGE of a difference between 2k and 2k3.
Here is a link explaining the certifications from MS
September 12th, 2007, 05:42 PM #9
Thanks GZ, I've just been reading on the link I posted earlier and also on M$'s explanation of exams to be retired...
From what I understand from there, the 2k MCSx will be retired, but I (and you, should you so wish) can continue to go through the certification towards MCSE 2k3.
I appreciate what you're saying, but over here there doesn't seem to be the same demand for Cisco - and esp not for someone who is a (relative) newbie... I'm not completely new, but new to dealing with IT as my actual job... As I'm sure some ppl here may be aware, I used to drive artic (semi) lorries for a living but did IT schtuffs like troubleshooting and setting up networks (LAN/WLAN) for myself, friends, family and neighbours...
September 12th, 2007, 06:52 PM #10
Cisco is mainly in the corporate world where highend Cisco equipment is used. (along with Voip a really big thing and wireless) There is a massive amount of government jobs on the east coast looking for Cisco guys with experience.
Where are you at? How far are you along with your certs?
September 13th, 2007, 01:10 PM #11
Oddly enough, there are still plenty of corporate environments running 2k3 so getting a cert on that isnt as bad as say 2k.
the Network + is a great starting point for networks as mentioned and specifically with that and A+ out of the way you have the two major branches foundations covered.
A+ for more help desk styled work and Network + for System Admin type work. (granted A+ is much closer to doing HD then Network + is for SysAdmin)
September 13th, 2007, 04:29 PM #12
I've been more and more aware about the jobs that seem to be available over there, and I'm getting more and more tempted by upping stcks, but I don't really know...
There are several things that would be better there:
There would however also be some things that wouldn't be as good:
roads - I like bends in them
driving on the other side of the road
So I'm not entirely convinced. Gina said that if she hadn't met me, she would prolly have been living in Frisky, and I was thinking about moving to NY (about ten years ago) but for whatever reason didn't go through with it - maybe something to do with green card or something...
September 17th, 2007, 08:36 AM #13
Ah so its safe to assume you live in Canada?
I just finished my 70-291 a couple of weeks ago and that is one tough test! Good luck!
September 18th, 2007, 09:46 PM #14
Yep...2k is being phased out, but 2k3 will be around for a long while after Server 08 is released. Vista isn't even catching the eye corporate america like MS thought it would. There are some corps and agency's still running 2000 and NT.
A+ and Network+ is good to get started for Tier 1/2 support work unless you already have the experience running and enterprise network.
MCSA is good for administering a Microsoft Enterprise network which includes, Active Directory, DHCP, DNS, WINS, Group Policy, Domain Trusts/connectivity, etc.
MCSE is good for administering, implementing, and designing MS enterprise networks. Placing routers and server in correct cities or sites, Replication Schedules, Forest structure, etc.
There is Security and Messaging Specializations for both MCSA and MCSE. They further increase your marketability and knowledge.
Cisco = Big Money when you go above CCNA, unless you know your stuff already. CCNA is for general Cisco administering. CCNP is more admin, implementing, configuring, recommending models, specializing, etc. CCIE = Cisco God.
MS 2007's MCA is an attempt to get the equivalence of Cisco CCIE. Not sure how it is going to work out.
As you can see, the MS 2007 application technology is totally different than 2003. This is one of the reasons for hesitation for implementing. Learning 2003 will help when it is time to migrate or supporting the majority of corps, angency's, and businesses who do not plan on implementing the new technology yet.
EDIT: MS Certs get retired, but doesn't expire
Cisco certs expire after a few years
CompTIA certs do not expire
September 19th, 2007, 06:27 PM #15
I've chatted with my boss/es and they would rather me do the 70-284 Exchange exam first as we support a LOT of SBS/Exchange servers at work...
September 20th, 2007, 08:04 PM #16
I took the 70-284 exam a few months ago. It was more routing questions than actual Exchange questions IMO. No simulations and all M/C, drag and drop, and hot spots. It would help if you have done 291 and 290 before this exam IMO.
October 8th, 2007, 07:33 PM #17
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October 8th, 2007, 10:44 PM #18
You can wait for 2008, or just begin the 2003 track and then upgrade when you get ready. There are still people on Server 2000, so 2003 will be around for a very long time. The new breed of certs WILL expire like the Cisco certs...i.e. MCITP (expires after three years of earning it if not renewed).
October 9th, 2007, 12:51 PM #19
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i read that link about the new exams for microsoft, still confused though... so the MCSA/E will come to an end, how will you be able to upgrade your 2003 server path to 2008?
in that case should i focus on 2003 MCSA/E to be able to hold that title because it doesn't expire ...(more for showing on a resume )
October 9th, 2007, 02:47 PM #20
There is an additional information page on how to "upgrade" your cert track to the new 2008 including what classes/exams are required to do the actual upgrade.
I dont have a link handy as its not something i remember how i got too but i remember reading it somewhere on their site.
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