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    Question Almost have a degree...

    Hey all, I have about 5 to 7 classes before I will have a AAS Network Specialist Degree along with Help desk, Microsoft Advanced Networking,Network Technician, PC Repair, and Computer Forensics certificates. I was wondering what Jobs I could search for in my area for entry level? I have yet to find a job that would want a fresh out of college guy but are wanting 2+ or 4+ years experience. Also, for my best terms, should I go ahead and go for bachelors in Technology Management/ or Management Information Systems, or find job with AAS degree for few years than go for bachelors?

    Any help with my future is greatly appreciated!

    Also, When going for network specialist with microsoft option...The books are for MCSE and I'm wondering if ill even get a certificate for any of those certificates if I complete all the required courses since they say nothing about having to pass a exit test or anything?
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    Quote Originally Posted by xsubxwooferx View Post
    Hey all, I have about 5 to 7 classes before I will have a AAS Network Specialist Degree along with
    Help desk, Microsoft Advanced Networking,Network Technician, PC Repair, and Computer Forensics certificates.


    I was wondering what Jobs I could search for in my area for entry level?

    I have yet to find a job that would want a fresh out of college guy but are wanting 2+ or 4+ years experience
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    Also, for my best terms, should I go ahead and go for bachelors in Technology Management/ or Management Information Systems, or find job with AAS degree for few years than go for bachelors?

    Any help with my future is greatly appreciated!

    Also, When going for network specialist with microsoft option...The books are for MCSE and I'm wondering if ill even get a certificate for any of those certificates if I complete all the required courses since they say nothing about having to pass a exit test or anything?
    Not to nitpik but what exact certifications do you have?

    What is your area?

    Thats to be expected, they want you with some experience to show that you didnt memorize answers for a certification test and got a nice shiney peice of paper to hang on the wall. Anyone can take a test but not just anyone can fake experience, you either know it or you don't.

    Thats a personal choice. Do you have thousands in student loans that you will have maybe a year to start paying off or can you sit unemployed while looking for a job? In the end, as you have already seen, experience often trumps education so if you get started earlier, it wont hurt right away. It will hinder you for management level positions as they often require that you have a four year degree of some type or another.

    I have no clue as to what your talking about here. Are you getting a third party certification or something within Microsoft's set?

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    That all aside, this is, as you said, YOUR future. So we can't decide what is best for you but i can tell you that you don't sound terribly informed on what your doing. I think you should check with your school into internships, student jobs, or even volunteer opportunities. Your guidance councilor is there to guide you and i hope you reach out to them.

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    I don't have to pay any kind of loans off. I have a full scholarship called Hope in Georgia. The reason I say I should have those certifications is because for my degree, (Network Specialist) some of the classes if not all of them for Help Desk Certificate is within the Network Specialist degree. So thats how I think I have those certificates because I completed all classes for them. I am trying to get most certificates as I can for computer support or networking related that way if I start out as Help Desk job that when they want to move me up and want me to get some required classes or if not I would already have the knowledge and classes for that higher level position. All and all, my goal has been to be a Network Administrator or Database Admin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xsubxwooferx View Post
    I don't have to pay any kind of loans off. I have a full scholarship called Hope in Georgia. The reason I say I should have those certifications is because for my degree, (Network Specialist) some of the classes if not all of them for Help Desk Certificate is within the Network Specialist degree. So thats how I think I have those certificates because I completed all classes for them. I am trying to get most certificates as I can for computer support or networking related that way if I start out as Help Desk job that when they want to move me up and want me to get some required classes or if not I would already have the knowledge and classes for that higher level position. All and all, my goal has been to be a Network Administrator or Database Admin.
    No degree from your school equals certifications. You can take courses from your school that may be tailored around a certification but you have to take a test from Prometric or that other place to get a certification. If your school is an accredited testing center you have to still take a specific test to pass a certification. You will receive a paper or digital certification that shows you have passed those specific tests and that you hold them. If you don't have those, your not certified.

    Have you taken specific tests and received those certifications?

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    No I have been taking tests on classes like CIS 2152...CIS 2153. I would haft to drive like 100 miles to take those test prob. Could I still get hired doing Windows Server 2003 stuff If it shows I took classes for it?

    Also, The school I am attending is Georgia Northwestern Technical College

    The Networking Specialist part is here Networking Specialist-Semester (NS13) - Georgia Northwestern Technical College

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    Advisement:
    Advisement - Georgia Northwestern Technical College

    Job Services:
    Career Services - Georgia Northwestern Technical College

    Special Services:
    Educational Opportunity Center - Georgia Northwestern Technical College

    You need to sit down with you adviser, i recommend going to the dean of your CIS department to recommend a proper adviser for you. Once you get your information correct, you can then use them as your resource to plan for the future.


    Again, taking a course in college that prepares you for a certification does not mean that you have that certificate or that you have even passed the tests required to attain that certificate. You obviously have not looked into the certifications you think you are ready for because there are test centers in the oddest places and your not even sure how far away the nearest test center is.

    Seriously, you sound uneducated in the field and you will not get hired with just your degree at this point. Get in contact with an adviser with a solid technical background to help you get the information you need at this point. You will NOT get a job working as a server admin with the limited knowledge you have or have demonstrated here.


    I, we in general, have no problem answering some questions but at this point your not asking questions but asking what you should do with your life. That is the job of a trained professional guidance councilor ... or your parents. I recommend not going with your parents unless they do work in computers too.

    Let me know what the guidance councilors say concerning certification tests and what sort of jobs you have available to you.

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    Hmmm thanks for info though and now its coming clear to what im doing and want im wanting to do with this degree. By not seeing advisor but messaging him, he has told me for MCSE certification that im going for now test center is like 20 miles away. Before the MCSE class was MCSA to get that certificate or Exam number 70-620.Hmm im thinking for help desk to get MCSA exam first and wait out on MCSE maybe? Either way I speak with advisor on valentines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xsubxwooferx View Post
    Hmmm thanks for info though and now its coming clear to what im doing and want im wanting to do with this degree. By not seeing advisor but messaging him, he has told me for MCSE certification that im going for now test center is like 20 miles away. Before the MCSE class was MCSA to get that certificate or Exam number 70-620.Hmm im thinking for help desk to get MCSA exam first and wait out on MCSE maybe? Either way I speak with advisor on valentines.
    MCSA = Microsoft Certified SYSTEM ADMINISTRATOR
    MCSE = Microsoft Certified SYSTEM ENGINEER

    neither of those is a help desk related certification. You really should do some research into what certs your studying for ...
    Certification Courses | Certification Training | Microsoft Certification

    MCITP - Support Technician would be a decent match for help desk.
    MCITP (Microsoft Certified IT Professional) | Training Courses for IT Professionals

    Either way, you really should be getting your A+ to start your Help Desk career as you may end up working on non-Microsoft products or environment.


    Its good your talking to your councilor, they will help you understand whats what. Also, you may want to use the same grammar you use in school here to make sure it is consistent and stays professional.

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    Well I talked to the advisor and I now have 3 classes for this 3 or 4 month quarter in spring which is CIS 2153, CIS 282, and ENG 1012.I asked about what my first certificate should be if I want to become a systems administrator or network administrator in future and he said, "I would go with A+ or Network+ first". He also said that I completed the class already that prepares me for either one of those tests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xsubxwooferx View Post
    Well I talked to the advisor and I now have 3 classes for this 3 or 4 month quarter in spring which is CIS 2153, CIS 282, and ENG 1012.I asked about what my first certificate should be if I want to become a systems administrator or network administrator in future and he said, "I would go with A+ or Network+ first". He also said that I completed the class already that prepares me for either one of those tests.
    If you have a strong background in computers the A+ should be a breeze. There are questions that cover dated technology though so be warned that you may get tripped up if you dont study.

    do a google search for professor messers videos online. There is something like 20+ hours of free videos you can watch that covers the entire A+ material.

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    Sounds good. Yeah, well, I been on a computer or playing with them since i was like 10 or so and I just been playing around going from what I learned by myself over the years and the basic classes for windows is a breeze to me. Is A+ like a every 3 year thing or just when every new windows OS comes out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by xsubxwooferx View Post
    Sounds good. Yeah, well, I been on a computer or playing with them since i was like 10 or so and I just been playing around going from what I learned by myself over the years and the basic classes for windows is a breeze to me. Is A+ like a every 3 year thing or just when every new windows OS comes out?
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    Not going to spoon feed you answers since this is your career and we are not always going to be able to provide you with answers.

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    Thanks for the help! Im not really looking for those kinds of answers but just as to what the IT world is about since to me I see the real world and IT world as 2 different worlds. Unless you wanna bring in medical world which would be called medical field, IT field in that case.I have always just been wanting to get on the computer to play games or just find new things on it in the old days in 1995 here lol. As I see the future of IT growing and everything becoming computerized, I feel fascinated and wanting to be part of the growing in the IT world. All and all, I just feel this is the right place for me. Deciding on what to do in the IT field is something else. I have a desktop and laptops at home and when I was around I guess 16, I set-up my home network for my family to use. When sometimes I don't have internet when cable says I do, I find that a challenge to make me have internet instead of calling tech support. All and all thats basically why I chose the network field of IT.

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    Gotcha. Get your A+, that is the big toe in the door. Landing your first job is more like the foot in the door.

    Something that my boss asks me every year for my review is where i see myself going in the next year, in two years, five years, etc. You need to constantly reevaluate what it is you want to do until you find yourself saying, I want to do this for as long as i can. Even then, ask yourself regularly if your still happy.

    When i first got hired i was still learning the details of my position and i was very satisfied. On my second yearly review, I had learned enough of my job and i wanted to branch out and he saw that i had a strong desire to learn. I wavered due to personal things here and there but i have not stopped trying to learn. Last year i got two certifications and plan on trying to keep that up this year. Who knows though ... Life is funny that way!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nemowolf View Post
    Seriously, you sound uneducated in the field and you will not get hired with just your degree at this point. Get in contact with an adviser with a solid technical background to help you get the information you need at this point. You will NOT get a job working as a server admin with the limited knowledge you have or have demonstrated here.
    Talk about being brutally honest, haha!

    Nemo is correct, and as I was reading your OP I was thinking to myself "If this person has all these certs, why are they even mentioning a help desk position?" Then a scrolled down and saw that you didn't actually have the certs. This is a big no no my friend, I know it was an innocent mistake, but if you were caught giving false statements like this to a company, your interview would end right then and there. Also, it is very likely they would red flag you to their parent and/or sister companies, along with other affiliates depending on the size of the corporation. This would pose as a major burden to you for obvious reasons.

    It is true that the A+ cert would give you a major leg up, but it's not a necessity for help desk positions. A help desk position is considered to be at the bottom of the barrel in the IT world. It is a good place to start out, but you might not want to make a career out of it as they don't make a lot of money..

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntiCasual View Post
    Talk about being brutally honest, haha!

    Nemo is correct, and as I was reading your OP I was thinking to myself "If this person has all these certs, why are they even mentioning a help desk position?" Then a scrolled down and saw that you didn't actually have the certs. This is a big no no my friend, I know it was an innocent mistake, but if you were caught giving false statements like this to a company, your interview would end right then and there. Also, it is very likely they would red flag you to their parent and/or sister companies, along with other affiliates depending on the size of the corporation. This would pose as a major burden to you for obvious reasons.

    It is true that the A+ cert would give you a major leg up, but it's not a necessity for help desk positions. A help desk position is considered to be at the bottom of the barrel in the IT world. It is a good place to start out, but you might not want to make a career out of it as they don't make a lot of money..
    I hope this makes the point that i do know what i am talking about.

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    I have to say this first.... You've got a degre..??



    Personally, and bear in mind that I've got a fistful of M$ certs plus my A+ ones, I would suggest that if you're starting out now, then going for your MSCx would be a bit of a waste of time - as the MCITP route has already been going for a couple of years that I know of...

    As mentioned above, it might be an idea to get a couple of A+ certs done (passed) and look to see what you can get; but you're best off keeping on with the learning and getting some M$ ones done too - as this is what most of the IT industry look for.

    Depending on what sector of IT you want to get into, you may want to think about specialising on a certain topic, which might be worthwhile going to other certification authorities for...like Cisco for networking, for example.

    Having said that, you do need to get your foot in the door, so to speak, so any form of work experience type roles you can get onto (maybe even just a short term thing) will help get you some experience - I did a server (W2k3) install for a company while I was doing my certifications and training, once I'd done that I was able to get a 4 week job trial (expenses only, no pay) which, after less than two weeks, they decided that I was able to do the job and pick things up quickly enough to want to take me on.......
    I've seen the light... It was green, flashy and attached to a Network Interface Card...
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    A degree from a trade school (or even Community College) doesn't really carry a lot of weight in the IT world. It's all about your Certs and Experience, and if you want to be in high positions you will need to specialize in something. Be it Hardware service/repair, Servers, Databases, network infrastructure, security, active directory... whatever.

    To start You should give serious consideration to at first the A+ certification. Its a good starting point for certifications. It is also highly recognized. Then look for jobs as a service tech. Dell and other manufacturers outsource to then in every city in America so there should be one near you. Or look for Private IT firms and see if they will take on assistants. If you value your sanity stay away from call centers. You might not make much in the begining but you will get what most higher paing jobs are looking for; Professional Work Experience. We all had to go through this for the most part (Unless you came out with a 'Degree' from MIT or Standford)

    You can get other specialized CompTia certs that are well recognized like Net+ and Server+. I have been out of the US for a while but I hear the big money is in Database administration and programming (Oracle, SQL). If you like programming focus on enterprise level stuff like SUN/JAVA. CISCO certs are great if you want to get into networking. And so on, just do the research. No one here is going to be able to give you a concrete answer on what you need to do exactly.

    MCSx lets people know that you know how to use the Start button and context menus in windows and I give about as much merit as being able to use crayons when I am looking for people. I got mine many years ago and the most use I've had for it is keeping my seldom used credit cards from sticking together in my wallet.

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    it sounds like you are trying to go the route I went.

    I received my BSBA, major MIS, then first job was a Tier 2/3 desktop support. The company gave me the opportunity to learn and prove myself although I didn't have any experience out of college. They also boosted their balance scorecard metrics with another employee with a college degree on staff and got me for CHEAP.

    Worked hard, got MS Certs and jumped shipped for a System Admin job, kept going, got a Systems Engineer job after a year, then landed into a college graduate developmental program with government.

    right out of college, I would just APPLY, APPPLY, APPLY. Someone may give you the opportunity to gain that experience. You will not gain the RELEVANT experience for a network/System admin/engineer ROLE working as a helpdesk/desktop support person. YOu may get exposed to some of it if you work with personnel in that role within your company, but probably won't in a large company. If this is the career you want to take, then study up and attain the certifications you need to get there.

    Again...years of RELEVANT experience will not be attained until someone gives you the opportunity. Everyone had someone give them their SHOT...they weren't BORN with the experience. also work on getting some higher level degrees so you can get away from the technical and start managing instead. I'm now in IT strategy and policy, but my technical experience helps a GREAT deal.

    This is just a quick snippet of my thoughts. Good luck in your search and hopefully SOMEONE will give you a shot for gaining that work experience. I also created labs at home, both virtual and using old servers to fills some of the learning curve gap before getting my first System Admin job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImTheStrangeOne View Post
    A degree from a trade school (or even Community College) doesn't really carry a lot of weight in the IT world. It's all about your Certs and Experience, and if you want to be in high positions you will need to specialize in something. Be it Hardware service/repair, Servers, Databases, network infrastructure, security, active directory... whatever.

    To start You should give serious consideration to at first the A+ certification. Its a good starting point for certifications. It is also highly recognized. Then look for jobs as a service tech. Dell and other manufacturers outsource to then in every city in America so there should be one near you. Or look for Private IT firms and see if they will take on assistants. If you value your sanity stay away from call centers. You might not make much in the begining but you will get what most higher paing jobs are looking for; Professional Work Experience. We all had to go through this for the most part (Unless you came out with a 'Degree' from MIT or Standford)

    You can get other specialized CompTia certs that are well recognized like Net+ and Server+. I have been out of the US for a while but I hear the big money is in Database administration and programming (Oracle, SQL). If you like programming focus on enterprise level stuff like SUN/JAVA. CISCO certs are great if you want to get into networking. And so on, just do the research. No one here is going to be able to give you a concrete answer on what you need to do exactly.

    MCSx lets people know that you know how to use the Start button and context menus in windows and I give about as much merit as being able to use crayons when I am looking for people. I got mine many years ago and the most use I've had for it is keeping my seldom used credit cards from sticking together in my wallet.
    No offense but the grammatical errors and spelling mistakes leads me to believe that you don't have your college degree (or some form of formal education beyond high school)? While that may have been true in the past, with the amount of education that is available and the fierce competition within the field ... Not getting a degree is pointless unless you have a job lined up already.

    Starting with the Comptia line of certifications is something I strongly recommend for someone know to the industry to really get their feet wet in a variety of technologies. While i know plenty of folks who have long acquired their MS certifications, they may change their tune if they look through the current site concerning what is offered. With the expansion of technologies, there are easily double the certifications that are offered now compared to 10+ years ago. They have staged it to "target and audience" and make it simple to understand. I don't particularly like the way they did it but hey, power to them.

    Cheers!

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