Greenspan, Federal reserve and your money etc....very eye opening stuff

[John Prophet]

VERY eye opening stuff...I encourage everyone to listen to these two audio programs

Basically it is outlining the fact that the banks here in America are controlled by persons in Europe

I would think most people have no clue about the federal reserve and who works for who etc etc..for example I guess most people think Greenspan works for the President?? nope.

check em out..go here http://www.endtime.com/radiohtm.asp and check out the programs on 5/28/03 and 5/29/03


warning..this IS a Christian show etc..but these two particular programs arent preachy at all...(u can fast forward thru the "commercials" etc)....nothing about heaven or hell....these are all about where the true power in the world lies etc.

eye opening when you consider the EU and power shifts etc.

also...google turns up quick facts http://www.rense.com/general24/whocontrolsFED.htm

Any comments on these two programs??

JP


some interesting stuff when the callers call in their questions....the guy is saying that the people who control the FEderal reserve are the people who "pick" the pres of the USA....so there is even a little "left-right" talk etc....for all of you who ferverently talk politics this would be interesting....say around the 41m.50s mark etc.

[MTAtech]

As someone that has written about the Fed, I can say without fear of contradiction, that the rense.com website is a bunch of nonsense. (I didn't listen to the voice program.)

The Fed is not owned by any person or corporation. It is an independent arm of the Federal Government that derives its power from Congress.

The Fed is comprised of 12 regional banks (Federal Reserve banks not private banks). These banks are owned by the government although stock is required to be owned by member banks. However, owning Reserve Bank stock is quite different from owning stock in a private company. The Reserve Banks are not operated for profit, and ownership of a certain amount of stock is, by law, a condition of membership in the System. The stock may not be sold or traded or pledged as security for a loan; dividends are, by law, 6 percent per year.

The Fed is run by a seven member board which each have 14 year terms, with the exception of the Chairman and Vice Chairman, which have four year terms.

The webiste says that because the mentioned companies own the shares of the Regional bank they 'control' the Fed. That is utter nonsense. The Fed is run by the Board and they are appointed by the President and confirmed by the U.S. Senate.

Sites like this are the worse kind of misinformation because they prey upon people who do not have the facts and are easily impressed by someone that sounds authoritative.

"the guy is saying that the people who control the FEderal reserve are the people who "pick" the pres of the USA.

The people that pick the Pres of the U.S. are the citizens through elections while the people that pick Fed Board Members are the Pres. and the Senate. Since the Pres. and the Senate do not pick the President of the U.S., I must conclude that that 'radio expert' doesn't know what he is talking about.

[Pexster]

The News Hour . . . last night had a Clarence Page essay in which he pointed out how bookstores have entire sections labeled "Conspiracy." It was quite humorous. Everything from the secret societies living inside the Earth to the Trilateral Commission to you-name-it, someone wrote a book about it.

[MTAtech]

Bookstores really don't have a section marked "Conspiracy." That's a conspiracy.

[John Prophet]

So WE own all those banks listed in europe?

[RADAR1797]

These are the Fed banks

-RADAR

[John Prophet]

But who owns those banks???

A simple google turns up too many near identical lists to mention..showing the banks owned by the same foreigners.



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FOREIGN BANKERS OWN MAJORITY OF FEDERAL RESERVE

More that half the shareholdings in the Federal Reserve Bank arc controlled by large New York City banks, including National City Bank, National Bank of Commerce, First National Bank, Chase National Bank, and Marine National Bank. When Rockefeller's National City Bank merged with J.P. Morgan's First National Bank in 1955, the Rockefeller group owned 22 percent of the shares of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, which in turn holds the majority of shares in the Federal Reserve System - 53 percent. But who really owns what? Here arc the top controllers of the Federal Rwerve Bank

1. Rothchild banks of London and Berlin.

2. Lazard Brothers Banks of Paris.

3. Israel Moses Seif Banks of Italy.

4. Warburg Bank of Hamburg and Amsterdam.

5. Lehman Brothers Bank of New York.

6. Kuhn, Loeb bank of New York.

7. Chase Manhattan Bank of New York, which controls all of the other 11 Federal Reserve Banks.

8. Goldman, Sachs Bank of New York.

http://www.sonic.net/sentinel/naij2.html

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notice who owns the gold in the fed reserve bank of NY http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Reserve_Banks

"The gold is owned by foreign nations, including Saudi Arabia and Kuwait. Its value is estimated at $25 billion."

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so my question is who owns those banks listed above? http://www.save-a-patriot.org/files/view/whofed.html

"Federal Reserve Directors: A Study of Corporate and Banking Influence
Published 1976
Chart 1 reveals the linear connection between the Rothschilds and the Bank of England, and the London banking houses which ultimately control the Federal Reserve Banks through their stockholdings of bank stock and their subsidiary firms in New York. The two principal Rothschild representatives in New York, J. P. Morgan Co., and Kuhn,Loeb & Co. were the firms which set up the Jekyll Island Conference at which the Federal Reserve Act was drafted, who directed the subsequent successful campaign to have the plan enacted into law by Congress, and who purchased the controlling amounts of stock in the Federal Reserve Bank of New York in 1914. These firms had their principal officers appointed to the Federal Reserve Board of Governors and the Federal Advisory Council in 1914. In 1914 a few families (blood or business related) owning controlling stock in existing banks (such as in New York City) caused those banks to purchase controlling shares in the Federal Reserve regional banks. Examination of the charts and text in the House Banking Committee Staff Report of August, 1976 and the current stockholders list of the 12 regional Federal Reserve Banks show this same family control. "

[elroy]

A quick and simple explanation of why we have a Federal reserve.
http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a951124b.html

An article explaining the ownership of the Federal Reserve. Also disputes many of the claims made by conspiracy writers.
http://www.usagold.com/FederalReserve.html

[MTAtech]

The Federal Reserve website explains it all and should clear up the misconception:
http://www.federalreserve.gov/faq.htm#frsq3

[John Prophet]

yes, we all can read that FEd website.

Who owns the Federal Reserve?
The Federal Reserve System is not "owned" by anyone and is not a private, profit-making institution. Instead, it is an independent entity within the government, having both public purposes and private aspects.

As the nation's central bank, the Federal Reserve derives its authority from the U.S. Congress. It is considered an independent central bank because its decisions do not have to be ratified by the President or anyone else in the executive or legislative branch of government, it does not receive funding appropriated by the Congress, and the terms of the members of the Board of Governors span multiple presidential and congressional terms. However, the Federal Reserve is subject to oversight by the Congress, which periodically reviews its activities and can alter its responsibilities by statute. Also, the Federal Reserve must work within the framework of the overall objectives of economic and financial policy established by the government. Therefore, the Federal Reserve can be more accurately described as "independent within the government."

The twelve regional Federal Reserve Banks, which were established by the Congress as the operating arms of the nation's central banking system, are organized much like private corporations--possibly leading to some confusion about "ownership." For example, the Reserve Banks issue shares of stock to member banks. However, owning Reserve Bank stock is quite different from owning stock in a private company. The Reserve Banks are not operated for profit, and ownership of a certain amount of stock is, by law, a condition of membership in the System. The stock may not be sold or traded or pledged as security for a loan; dividends are, by law, 6 percent per year.


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a little vague huh?


so you guys are placing your bets that the Rothchilds etc have nothing to do with the fed reserve?????


the stocks they speak of...who owns them??

ever heard of an audit of the Fed being done??

[Gomer]

Didn't listen to the links... and don't plan on it really... but If I gather from some of your other posts, this has something to do with the apocalypse eh?

[MTAtech]

Rothchilds? Oh, I haven't heard the Jewish bank conspiracy story for years. As for the Fed site being vague... no, not really.

JP, put two and two together. Ask yourself questions? If the U.S. President appoints the Fed Governors and those appointments are approved by the U.S. Senate, who controls the Fed? a) sinister foreign bankers b) U.S. elected leaders. If you answered "b," give yourself 5 points.

The bottom line is that if you want to believe in Elvis being alive, the theory of Atlantis, the Lock Ness Monster, etc., no injection of reality is going to shake your belief.

[John Prophet]

Well, something to do with a United Europe and a serious undermining of the USA with a nice shift of power to Europe...and a 'world govt' in place. No one can deny its coming at this point except a few ostriches.

see---> EU, World Court, Unifying of Europe thru the dismantling of borders, "UN Peacekeeping force", etc ad infinitum,

We all see and comment on how socialistic our lives in America have become..but we dont seem to want to see any concrete reasons.

for the average person...even the average Christian who doesnt have a little forewarning about where things are headed...these things dont look interconnected and they dont look very meaningful....but if you can look ahead and see the end result it makes each step along the way a little more ominous.

of course I didnt start the thread to preach the apocolypse...I just wanted to hear opinions etc about the federal reserve.....of course no one can be bothered so far to listen to the 2 short programs...but everyone took time to say "conspiracy theory" lol.

you can lead a horse to water but.....

The guy interviewed on the program is Dr Larry Bates..former Legislator from Tennessee, bank owner/CEO, economist, also a former 33rd degree Freemason.....so maybe he knows a little more about it than we can glean from the Fed's public webpage....but I see no one was interested, lol.


A few quotes

"Most Americans have no real understanding of the operation of the international money lenders. The accounts of the Federal Reserve System have never been audited. It operates outside the control of Congress and manipulates the credit of the United States" -- Sen. Barry Goldwater (Rep. AR)

"Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes it's laws" -- Mayer Amschel
Bauer Rothschild

"The few who understand the system, will either be so interested from it's profits or so dependant
on it's favors, that there will be no opposition from that class." -- Rothschild Brothers of London, 1863

"The regional Federal Reserve banks are not government agencies. ...but are independent,
privately owned and locally controlled corporations." -- Lewis vs. United States, 680 F. 2d 1239
9th Circuit 1982

"A great industrial nation is controlled by it's system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated
in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely
controlled and dominated governments in the world--no longer a government of free opinion, no
longer a government by conviction and vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and
duress of small groups of dominant men." --President Woodrow Wilson

"From now on, depressions will be scientifically created." -- Congressman Charles A.
Lindbergh Sr. , 1913


Andrew Jackson vetoed the charter of the Second Bank and he survived an attemted assasination....JFK wanted to do away with the Fed and print money that said "US reserve"and he didnt survive, lol.


But I know..there are more important things to consider..like whether Kerry has an SUV or medals.....forgive me for trying to look a little deeper.

[MTAtech]

In papers that I have written about the Fed, I make the case that it has more of an impact upon the economy than either the Pres or Congress.

The Fed was designed to be independent. To understand this, you must understand the system that existed before. Monetary policy was decided by the Congress. We therefore had wild swings based upon polical considerations - not economics.

The Fed members have long terms and are appointees of the Pres and confirmed by the Senate. Because they have long terms and can't be re-appointed, their decisions based upon economics not politics.

Believe me, you don't want the President or Congress in control of monetary policy.

[pickel]

some interesting stuff when the callers call in their questions....the guy is saying that the people who control the FEderal reserve are the people who "pick" the pres of the USA....

I was wondering who payed off the Florida politicians in 2000 and gave us bUSH.

[tony_j15]

John, if I'm picking through all this correctly, you be saying that the stock from our fed banks is owned primarily by large multinational bank companies based in Europe and the middle east? Makes sense to me, and no one has really refuted this. These same banks probably own stock in various other contries fed reserves as well.

EDIT: maybe I shouldnt believe someone with a postcount of 6666

[John Prophet]

Well..imagine the situation when there is a war....when it gets traced out..both sides end up having to borrow from the same peeps, lol.

also think of the deal with the media..who ALSO have to borrow from these same banks etc....with the huge banks holding nice amounts of stock of the various media firms...NO WONDER we dont hear too much about this stuff in the media. Total media blackout.

Think of things like NAFTA...which has devestated the US (here in VA we have been hurt badly by all of our textile and furniture biz going overseas--thanks Bill)---what forces are at work to weaken the US and strengthen Europe....geeeeeeeee, I wonderrrrrrrrrr, lol.

have you noticed the Euro has devestated the dollar??

very powerful forces at work here.

[SiliconJon]

Exclusive Conversation With Ron Paul: The Future Of The Federal Reserve - Capital Commerce (usnews.com)

[Toadman]

Shh!! You might awaken the pod-people, the D-cells who keep our society rolling.

[MegalosSkylaki]

A more or less autonomous central bank is a feature of virtually all capitalist economies. There's a lot about such banks, just like there's a lot about capitalism, that offends the sensitive soul

Anybody see a capitalist society lately?

The international bankers guild should be be viewed in the context of globalism and the movementof cvapital to markets where it can realize not only the most profit--but also the most power.

When a certainl evel of wealth is reached, onlya huge increment a has any psychological efffect on the holder.

Beyond a certain point, thet real goal of money is power, and for that there is no satiety.

MegalosSkylaki