Thread: According to the bible...
November 5th, 2006, 03:13 PM #1
According to the bible...
Just pulling a few direct quotes here:
For six days, work is to be done, but on the seventh day is a Sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day must be put to death.
1 Corinthians 14
As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.
(starting around part 34)
Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.
This list may grow as I find more...but you are free to question it as you like.
Digg it: http://digg.com/general_sciences/According_to_the_bible
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November 5th, 2006, 03:38 PM #2
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November 5th, 2006, 03:44 PM #3Unofficial TechIMO record holder for the number of times being added and removed from beemer's ignore list.
November 5th, 2006, 03:52 PM #4Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.
November 5th, 2006, 05:20 PM #5
yeah Bingo, but leave some of those "local clan" ones for me
Guess I better brush up on "Uncle Tom's Cabin" before the auction; might pick up some pointers from Simon Lagree"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere" Voltaire
November 5th, 2006, 07:19 PM #6
Get a hobby exreaction
You don't agree with the bible...awsome!!!! But guess what, nobody cares!
November 5th, 2006, 09:13 PM #7
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Let's see if I can help you understand things a bit EXreaction . . .
Exodus and Leviticus are books of the "Old Testament" and the Jewish faith follows that . . .
1 Corinthians is part of the "New Testament" and the Christians try to live their lives based on it.
While the Christians and the Muslims accept the "Old Testament", they don't try to live thier lives by it.
Likewise, the Muslims accept the "New Testament", they try to live their lives based on the Quran.
So, tell us what your point is??
November 5th, 2006, 09:54 PM #8
The answer to your question is found in Hebrews 4:4-11.
For He has said somewhere concerning the seventh day: "AND GOD RESTED ON THE SEVENTH DAY FROM ALL HIS WORKS"; and again in this passage, "THEY SHALL NOT ENTER MY REST." Therefore, since it remains for some to enter it, and those who formerly had good news preached to them failed to enter because of disobedience, He again fixes a certain day, "Today," saying through David after so long a time just (J)as has been said before, "TODAY IF YOU HEAR HIS VOICE,DO NOT HARDEN YOUR HEARTS." For if Joshua had given them rest, He would not have spoken of another day after that. So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God. For the one who has entered His rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from His. Therefore let us be diligent to enter that rest, so that no one will fall, through following the same example of disobedience.
November 5th, 2006, 10:13 PM #9
I've always wondered, why was a New Testament written?One by one the penguins steal my sanity.
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November 5th, 2006, 10:28 PM #10
Oh c'mon, this the best you can find? No human sacrifice?
There's so many terrible things written in the bible. Quote them and then write what you think about them. I could have made a thread years ago like this.
November 6th, 2006, 12:16 AM #11
Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.
We’re talking the ancients here. Jewish beliefs from millenniums ago, before Christ was born, are not out of line with what was believed to be moral and acceptable law back then, and realistically were actually more moral. They’re not saying conquer and enslave the conquered. They're not saying enslave your fellow citizens. They’re saying it’s OK to buy slaves from those that sell them. In some countries, legal slavery existed throughout their existence even into the 20th century. Funny, the despicable, highly Judeo-Christian U.S. was the first of Western Civilization to abolish slavery.
You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.
Now here is where they got it right and we have yet to. What a great way to eliminate illegal immigration.
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If our military performed like the White House and Congress, we'd all be speaking a foreign language.
November 6th, 2006, 12:26 AM #12
U.S. was the first of Western Civilization to abolish slavery.Good job, friend-of-friends!
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November 6th, 2006, 12:38 AM #13"The problem with quotations on the internet is that the sources are hard to verify" - Abraham Lincoln
November 6th, 2006, 02:20 AM #14
EXreaction, here are some links you can have fun with:
Evil Bible Home Page
Skeptic's Annotated Bible / Quran / Book of Mormon
and these are fun too,
Bible Sex Stories: The untold story behind the Bible's sexiest tales
The Dark Bible: Contents
November 6th, 2006, 08:28 AM #15
I never meant to say that the Conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally Conservative. I believe that is so obviously and universally admitted a principle that I hardly think any gentleman will deny it. --J.S. Mill
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November 6th, 2006, 09:01 AM #16
Lutheran and Roman Catholic Christianity
3.# "Observe the sabbath day and keep it holy, as the LORD your God commanded you. Six days you shall labor and do all your work. But the seventh day is a sabbath to the LORD your God; you shall not do any work—you, or your son or your daughter, or your male or female slave, or your ox or your donkey, or any of your livestock, or the resident alien in your towns, so that your male and female slave may rest as well as you. Remember that you were a slave in the land of Egypt, and the LORD your God brought you out from there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm; therefore the LORD your God commanded you to keep the sabbath day."
Most Christians refrain from work on Sunday instead of the actual sabbath, Saturday. This is because Jesus rose from the dead "on the first day of the week" (Matthew 28), making Sunday the Lord's day. Some necessary work is permitted on this day of rest. (See Catechism 2168-2195.)
November 6th, 2006, 09:07 AM #17
That's a common misunderstanding by Christians. At no point in the history of christendom did the apostles or church fathers propose substituting Sunday for Saturday as a day of rest. The book of Acts describes the church as meeting on the first day of the week only because it was convenient (everybody was still in town after the Sabbath).
November 6th, 2006, 09:15 AM #18
In Islam Moses/Musa is venerated as one of the greatest prophets of God; however, also Islam teaches that the texts of the Torah and the Gospels have been corrupted from their divine originals over the years, due to carelessness or self-interest. It is still possible, however, to discern essential messages from the Torah and the Gospels that have not been extinguished from the human-corrupted versions of the texts. This can be most easily seen in those passages which correspond to verses in the Qur'an. This is by-and-large the case with the Ten Commandments. So, despite the Ten Commandments not being explicitly mentioned in the Qur'an they are implied by, or correspond directly to, the following verses in the Qur'an (using Jewish numbering of the Commandments):
1. "There is no other god beside God."(47:19)
2. "My Lord, make this a peaceful land, and protect me and my children from worshiping idols." (14:35)
3. "Do not subject God's name to your casual swearing, that you may appear righteous, pious, or to attain credibility among the people." (2:224)
4. "O you who believe, when the Congregational Prayer (Salat Al-Jumu`ah) is announced on Friday, you shall hasten to the commemoration of GOD, and drop all business." (62:9)
The Sabbath was relinquished with the revelation of the Quran. Muslims are told in the Quran that the Sabbath was only decreed for the Jews. (16:124) God, however, ordered Muslims to make every effort and drop all businesses to attend the congregational (Friday) prayer. The Submitters may tend to their business during the rest of the day.
5. "....and your parents shall be honored. As long as one or both of them live, you shall never say to them, "Uff" (the slightest gesture of annoyance), nor shall you shout at them; you shall treat them amicably." (17:23)
6. "....anyone who murders any person who had not committed murder or horrendous crimes, it shall be as if he murdered all the people." (5:32)
7. "You shall not commit adultery; it is a gross sin, and an evil behavior." (17:32)
8. "The thief, male or female, you shall mark their hands as a punishment for their crime, and to serve as an example from God. God is Almighty, Most Wise." (5:38 - 39)
9. "Do not withhold any testimony by concealing what you had witnessed. Anyone who withholds a testimony is sinful at heart." (2:283)
10. "And do not covet what we bestowed upon any other people. Such are temporary ornaments of this life, whereby we put them to the test. What your Lord provides for you is far better, and everlasting." (20:131)
It can also be noted that in the 17th chapter, "Al-Israa" ("The Night Journey"), verses 22-37, the Qur'an provides a set of moral stipulations which are "among the (precepts of) wisdom, which thy Lord has revealed to thee" that can be reasonably categorised as ten in number. It should be noted however, that these verses are not regarded by Islamic scholars as being somehow set apart from any other moral stipulations in the Qur'an, nor are they regarded as a substitute or replacement or abrogation of some other set of commandments as found in the Torah.
1. Worship only God: Take not with Allah another object of worship; or thou (O man!) wilt sit in disgrace and destitution. (17:22)
2. Be kind, honourable and humble to one's parents: Thy Lord hath decreed that ye worship none but Him, and that ye be kind to parents. Whether one or both of them attain old age in thy life, say not to them a word of contempt, nor repel them, but address them in terms of honour. (17:23) And, out of kindness, lower to them the wing of humility, and say: "My Lord! bestow on them thy Mercy even as they cherished me in childhood." (17:24)
3. Be neither miserly or wasteful in one's expenditure: And render to the kindred their due rights, as (also) to those in want, and to the wayfarer: But squander not (your wealth) in the manner of a spendthrift. (17:26) Verily spendthrifts are brothers of the Evil Ones; and the Evil One is to his Lord (himself) ungrateful. (17:27) And even if thou hast to turn away from them in pursuit of the Mercy from thy Lord which thou dost expect, yet speak to them a word of easy kindness. (17:28) Make not thy hand tied (like a niggard's) to thy neck, nor stretch it forth to its utmost reach, so that thou become blameworthy and destitute. (17:29)
4. Do not engage in 'mercy killings' for fear of starvation: Kill not your children for fear of want: We shall provide sustenance for them as well as for you. Verily the killing of them is a great sin. (17:31)
5. Do not commit adultery: Nor come nigh to adultery: for it is a shameful (deed) and an evil, opening the road (to other evils). (17:32)
6. Do not kill unjustly: Nor take life - which Allah has made sacred - except for just cause. And if anyone is slain wrongfully, we have given his heir authority (to demand qisas or to forgive): but let him not exceed bounds in the matter of taking life; for he is helped (by the Law). (17:33)
7. Care for orphaned children: Come not nigh to the orphan's property except to improve it, until he attains the age of full strength...(17:34)
8. Keep one's promises: ...fulfil (every) engagement [i.e. promise/covenant], for (every) engagement will be enquired into (on the Day of Reckoning). (17:34)
9. Be honest and fair in one's interactions: Give full measure when ye measure, and weigh with a balance that is straight: that is the most fitting and the most advantageous in the final determination. (17:35)
10. Do not be arrogant in one's claims or beliefs: And pursue not that of which thou hast no knowledge; for every act of hearing, or of seeing or of (feeling in) the heart will be enquired into (on the Day of Reckoning). (17:36) Nor walk on the earth with insolence: for thou canst not rend the earth asunder, nor reach the mountains in height. (17:37)
November 6th, 2006, 10:15 AM #19
Ten Commandments??? We really only need two! (find an mp3 of this online if ya want... s'good stuff)
GEORGE CARLIN ON THE 10 COMMANDMENTS
from "Complaints and Grievances" (HBO special)
Here is my problem with the ten commandments- why exactly are there 10?
You simply do not need ten. The list of ten commandments was artificially and deliberately inflated to get it up to ten. Here's what happened:
About 5,000 years ago a bunch of religious and political hustlers got together to try to figure out how to control people and keep them in line. They knew people were basically stupid and would believe anything they were told, so they announced that God had given them some commandments, up on a mountain, when no one was around.
Well let me ask you this- when they were making this shit up, why did they pick 10? Why not 9 or 11? I'll tell you why- because 10 sound official. Ten sounds important! Ten is the basis for the decimal system, it's a decade, it's a psychologically satisfying number (the top ten, the ten most wanted, the ten best dressed). So having ten commandments was really a marketing decision! It is clearly a bullshit list. It's a political document artificially inflated to sell better. I will now show you how you can reduce the number of commandments and come up with a list that's a little more workable and logical. I am going to use the Roman Catholic version because those were the ones I was taught as a little boy.
Let's start with the first three:
I AM THE LORD THY GOD THOU SHALT NOT HAVE STRANGE GODS BEFORE ME
THOU SHALT NOT TAKE THE NAME OF THE LORD THY GOD IN VAIN
THOU SHALT KEEP HOLY THE SABBATH
Right off the bat the first three are pure bullshit. Sabbath day? Lord's name? strange gods? Spooky language! Designed to scare and control primitive people. In no way does superstitious nonsense like this apply to the lives of intelligent civilized humans in the 21st century. So now we're down to 7. Next:
HONOR THY FATHER AND MOTHER
Obedience, respect for authority. Just another name for controlling people. The truth is that obedience and respect shouldn't be automatic. They should be earned and based on the parent's performance. Some parents deserve respect, but most of them don't, period. You're down to six.
Now in the interest of logic, something religion is very uncomfortable with, we're going to jump around the list a little bit.
THOU SHALT NOT STEAL
THOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS
Stealing and lying. Well actually, these two both prohibit the same kind of behavior- dishonesty. So you don't really need two you combine them and call the commandment "thou shalt not be dishonest". And suddenly you're down to 5.
And as long as we're combining I have two others that belong together:
THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTRY
THOU SHALT NOT COVET THY NEIGHBOR'S WIFE
Once again, these two prohibit the same type of behavior. In this case it is marital infidelity. The difference is- coveting takes place in the mind. But I don't think you should outlaw fantasizing about someone else's wife because what is a guy gonna think about when he's waxing his carrot? But, marital infidelity is a good idea so we're gonna keep this one and call it "thou shalt not be unfaithful". And suddenly we're down to four.
But when you think about it, honesty and infidelity are really part of the same overall value so, in truth, you could combine the two honesty commandments with the two fidelity commandments and give them simpler language, positive language instead of negative language and call the whole thing "thou shalt always be honest and faithful" and we're down to 3.
THOU SHALT NOT COVET THY NEIGHBOR"S GOODS
This one is just plain fuckin' stupid. Coveting your neighbor's goods is what keeps the economy going! Your neighbor gets a vibrator that plays "o come o ye faithful", and you want one too! Coveting creates jobs, so leave it alone. You throw out coveting and you're down to 2 now- the big honesty and fidelity commandment and the one we haven't talked about yet:
THOU SHALT NOT KILL
Murder. But when you think about it, religion has never really had a big problem with murder. More people have been killed in the name of god than for any other reason. All you have to do is look at Northern Ireland, Cashmire, the Inquisition, the Crusades, and the World Trade Center to see how seriously the religious folks take thou shalt not kill. The more devout they are, the more they see murder as being negotiable. It depends on who's doin the killin' and who's gettin' killed. So, with all of this in mind, I give you my revised list of the two commandments:
Thou shalt always be honest and faithful to the provider of thy nookie.
Thou shalt try real hard not to kill anyone, unless of course they pray to a different invisible man than you.
Two is all you need; Moses could have carried them down the hill in his fuckin' pocket. I wouldn't mind those folks in Alabama posting them on the courthouse wall, as long as they provided one additional commandment:
Thou shalt keep thy religion to thyself.
November 6th, 2006, 01:37 PM #20
Thanks for the links OuT, and very nice Gomer."The problem with quotations on the internet is that the sources are hard to verify" - Abraham Lincoln
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