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**GroundZero3** · November 21st, 2006, 12:53 PM

So disley from what i have read from you, all cops are just pig head jocks from high school who just abuse their powers?

I'm curious what do you do for a job and do you have to deal with the confrontations that cops have to deal with on an everyday basis?

Does he have a knife, will this person do harm to me, etc. It very easy to sit in your chair and say, the cops could of handled it better. But during the whole event confronting the student who wouldn't leave, he could of done anything. Cops barely make enough to deal with assholes like this.

Like i said, i felt there was excess tasing as i would of zip tied him after the first zap and carried his dumb ass out.

Epidemic · November 21st, 2006, 01:00 PM

GZ,

I am as pro cop as they get... But from the interviews I have read it appears clearly to indicate he was compliant before the first zap.

I usually would say something flip like

"what, you expect me to believe that the guy was walking out after being ordered to and they just risked their jobs just so they could shock someone for doing what he was ordered to do?"

Problem is, this time it appears by all wittness accounts that that is just what happened.

Creatures · November 21st, 2006, 01:06 PM

so it seems all of you are in favor of a police state?

Creatures

Disley · November 21st, 2006, 01:15 PM

I'm not a cop, but I do work for a research dept at a university.
I have plenty experience with 'smart ass' students.

**GroundZero3** · November 21st, 2006, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Creatures

so it seems all of you are in favor of a police state?

Creatures

Where exactly does a police state come into this? Here we have some jackass that wouldn't leave when asked because he didn't have his id card. He resisted and the police removed him since he didn't have the proper identification to be there.

I don't care if he was a student, he didn't have anything to validate he was allowed there. I work for a school district if i don't have my badge, i really cant go to the schools to do any kind of work as i can validate who i am.

My problem is when people like Disley comes along and makes a blanket statement that all cops are corrupted and abuse their power. I have worked with several cops and security police forces to train them and its the complete opposite. yes every group of people have their bad apples, that is with anything (military, police, teachers, students, etc)

Epidemic · November 21st, 2006, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Creatures

so it seems all of you are in favor of a police state?

Creatures

Creatures and disley you are an anarchists at heart?

do you believe that no one should be held to account for their actions and that we need not stand for criminal behavior?

Anarchy is the worst state humans can live in. Just ask Iraqis how they feel some of them actually pine for the horrors of the saddam days just to regain some order and peace.

Police should be powerful and quick guided by reasonable rules. The average citizen should respect the crappy position the police are put in by the publics actions... You may wish to pick on the police but they are in a thankless job that in large part allows you to live your life as you do.

as for my statement of reasonable rules guiding police, in this case it would appear as if they overstepped their bounds. But not by as much as you guys would like to think.

This idiot student forgot his ID (not a horrible mistake)

This idiot student refused to leave when he was rightfully requested to leave (now we are entering into troublemaker territory.)

This idiot resisted the cops demand to leave initially, but when sufficiently threatened he decided to leave. (he should not have resisted verbal requests)

he finally began to leave and when the cop ushered him out he stopped and resisted once again. (now I believe the cops are within their rights to force the issue as the guy is being an ass)

tasing him at this point is not beyond the pale of reason. well after requests for him to place his hands behind his back for handcuffing. If he refused at that point I would think removing his resistance with 200,000 volts would not be out of the question.

Now once hand cuffed and tased I am not sure I can defend the cops very much. i think at that point it would be customary to drag him out under his handcuffed arms...

Cops made two basic mistakes AFAIAC but I also do not know what their policy was for this situation.

1) if he was leaving after verbal request perhaps they did not need to grap his arm and hustle him out of there.

2) tasing him 4 additional times. was a bit harsh.

Creatures · November 21st, 2006, 02:44 PM

epidemic for example is fine with police brutality to keep the cops out of risk, the police is not here to protect itself it's here to protect us from criminals, but the civilians have to be protected from the police (abuse) cops work in a risky job, the time they signed up they know they are here for US not themselves, they dont have to "teach" us anything, the judge is here to punish us, not the police, and tazing is a punishement. in this situation and the one in the clip, the use of the tazer was totally inapropriated, both situation could have been solved without any violence, just with a little bit of talking

as i said in another threads, the civilians should be protected from police/military abuse

anarchist? who said that?

Creatures

Disley · November 21st, 2006, 02:55 PM

Iraq is in chaos, it's not really anarchy as in the political process espoused by anarchists. I think.
As far as the police protection goes, they are never there when you need one.
I've seen cops, riot squad, turn a rowdy bike race, with young men just being noisy, into day long running battles, because it seemed that they were bored with no one to bash, even innocent family guys were clubbed to the ground by mad cops.
The herd instinct, or with cops, maybe an us n them attitude, they the spectators were having a good time, the cops hate people enjoying themselves.

Epidemic · November 21st, 2006, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Disley

Iraq is in chaos, it's not really anarchy as in the political process espoused by anarchists. I think.
As far as the police protection goes, they are never there when you need one.
I've seen cops, riot squad, turn a rowdy bike race, with young men just being noisy, into day long running battles, because it seemed that they were bored with no one to bash, even innocent family guys were clubbed to the ground by mad cops.
The herd instinct, or with cops, maybe an us n them attitude, they the spectators were having a good time, the cops hate people enjoying themselves.

True iraq is in chaos. several steps below anarchy.

Creatures · November 21st, 2006, 03:06 PM

epidemic just read my post above, police is NOT here to PUNISH, they can shoot him if he has a gun or any other weapon but NOT taze him just because he is not talking in a proper language or not following their orders at once

the judge is here to punish, that's why modern government seperate executive, judiciary and legislative

Creatures