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    Illegals recieve Soc Sec benefits after only 18 months!

    How did this happen?

    They are about to pass a law allowing Illegals to gain Social Security benefits after only 18 months of employment!
    Entitlements: About to become law is an agreement allowing illegal aliens to get Social Security benefits after only 18 months of employment in the U.S., further burdening a system on the brink of collapse.
    I didnt really care all that much about Illegals being around helping the economy. BUT to allow them to be vested in SS benefits after only a year and a half when it TOOK ME 40 QUARTERS(10 YEARS) to get to the point that I could recieve benefits if I needed them(or will need them when I retire) is rediculous.
    So it must be somewhat disconcerting for them to find out that about to become law is an agreement signed on June 29, 2004, between the U.S. Commissioner of Social Security and the director general of the Mexican Social Security Institute that allows illegal aliens to collect Social Security benefits if they have as little as 18 months of employment history. U.S. citizens must show 10 years, or 40 quarters of job history, to collect benefits.
    IF this doesnt make you mad you probably dont have a job.
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    10 years for american citizens? are you sure? i could get social benefits here just by turning 18 without showing any kind work history

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    Well, if you don't like it, I guess you need to tell President Bush's since it's waiting for his signature.

    On the other side, the illegals need legal employment since off-the-books doesn't earn SS credits. In addition, if illegals are using phony SS#'s that doesn't count either.
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    The agreement, which awaits
    President Bush's signature, can take effect without Congress' approval. All the Democratic Congress has to do is nothing. It doesn't have to vote to approve it -- it has only 60 days to disapprove it, which isn't likely because they likely support allowing it to become law.
    Perfect.

    The agreement would drain more billions from a system with a $14 trillion liability and assets of only $3.5 trillion, according to a 2003 report by the Center for Immigration Studies. TREA notes, "Ominously, these assets include not only the trust's current reserves ($1.4 trillion), but also the present value of the taxes that current workers will pay for the rest of their working lives ($2.1 trillion).
    Looks like you'll get what you want MTA, higher taxes for everybody.
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    We have basically opened to door to full legalization to anyone who choses to immigrate illegally.

    The SSA issue is just another nail in the coffin.

    As these people move back to Mexico to retire on our SS funds, we will probably grant them medicare insurance, too. It's all part of the package.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Creatures View Post
    10 years for american citizens? are you sure? i could get social benefits here just by turning 18 without showing any kind work history

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    Indeed, I am sure. That is what is stated on my annual Social Security benefits statement. The bare MINIMUM is 20 quarters if you become incapacitated/handicapped and 40 quarters for a healthy person.

    However, if you dont believe me:

    From the SSA site:
    Retirement benefits
    Anyone born in 1929 or later needs 10 years of work (40 credits) to be eligible for retirement benefits. People born before 1929 need fewer years of work.
    AND:

    read this:

    In general, individuals must contribute for a minimum of 40 quarters (10 years) to receive Social Security retirement benefits, or 20 quarters to receive disability benefits. In return for these contributions, individuals generally can expect:

    A monthly check after retirement, with the average check being $697 in December 1994.

    A monthly check for a qualified disability until the recipient returns to work or reaches retirement age.
    In addition, a surviving spouse receives a monthly benefit equal to 100 percent of the deceased spouse's basic benefit and surviving children under the age of 18 each receive an amount equal to three-fourths of the deceased parent's benefit.
    NUmbersUSA.com has a different view on "the totalization of SS benefits" in that AFTER 60 working days, if the house doesnt disapprove of it, it is automatically accepted:
    The U.S. Commissioner of Social Security signed a totalization agreement with the Director General of the Mexican Social Security Institute on June 29, 2004. Now that the agreement has been signed, it must be reviewed first by the State Department, and then by the White House, which will submit it to Congress. Congress will have then have 60 "legislative" days to review the agreement. During this period, current law authorizes either Chamber to pass a Resolution of Disapproval of the agreement, or it will take effect automatically at the end of the 60-day period. In addition, the Mexican Senate must affirmatively approve the totalization agreement.
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    If I was to allow myself the full vent of my anger on the issue of illegals I'd have a stroke. The administration's support of illegals, the companies who employ them, failures to increase border control, failure to enforce the Constitution and existing laws of this country, and the failure to uphold MY RIGHTS as a natural-born, tax-paying citizen of this country, make me sick. Bush does absolutely nothing that he says he will do.
    http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/social-security/

    This illegal policy is a slap in the face to every legalized (i.e., became a U.S. citizen) immigrant (I know several), and tells illegals, us, and the rest of the world that our laws are a joke. What disgrace.

    And yes, I just sent an email to the White House for all the good that will do.

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    I know of several people who work for the State of California and the school district. They are here legally on Green Cards, got extra interview points as minorities, and will retire and get Social Security, State retriement with medical, and they will never need to become Americans. In fact, most plan to move back to Mexico.

    California has never, ever respected the rights of a citizen to have preference over an legal Green Card immigrant. The more people there are who need the government, the better the government likes it.
    Last edited by Chuckiechan; January 6th, 2007 at 05:46 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuckiechan View Post
    I know of several people who work for the State of California and the school district. They are here legally on Green Cards, got extra interview points as minorities, and will retire and get Social Security, State retriement with medical, and they will never need to become Americans. In fact, most plan to move back to Mexico.

    California has never, ever respected the rights of a citizen to have preference over an legal Green Card immigrant. The more people there are who need the government, the better the government likes it.
    It's just disgusting.

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    As a side note to Socal Gal, here in California it's common to see a decal with a Calvin & Hobbs character urinating on a "La Migra" sign. "La Migra" is the US Immigration Department. They don't care and they flaunt it.
    “Rancher Bundy should’ve told the feds that those were Mexican cows – who came across the border illegally to seek better grazing opportunities. It was an act of love.”

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    Try the U.K.
    Illegals are just left to their own devices as deporting them to their home country or point of origin would be a breach of their human rights. They also get social security and healthcare from day one.

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    -----Original Message-----
    From: comments@whitehouse.gov [mailto:comments@whitehouse.gov]
    Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 x:xx PM
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    On behalf of President Bush, thank you for your correspondence.

    We appreciate hearing your views and welcome your suggestions.
    The President is committed to continuing our economic progress, defending our freedom, and upholding our Nation's deepest values.

    Due to the large volume of e-mail received, the White House cannot respond to every message. Please visit the White House website for the most up-to-date information on Presidential initiatives, current events, and topics of interest to you.

    In order to better receive comments from the public, a new system has been implemented. In the future please send your comments to comments@whitehouse.gov.

    Thank you again for taking the time to write.

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    In case you missed it, send your comments to:
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    "The President is committed to continuing our economic progress, defending our freedom, and upholding our Nation's deepest values." What a crock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuckiechan View Post
    We have basically opened to door to full legalization to anyone who choses to immigrate illegally.

    The SSA issue is just another nail in the coffin.

    As these people move back to Mexico to retire on our SS funds, we will probably grant them medicare insurance, too. It's all part of the package.
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    In order to better receive comments from the public, a new system has been implemented. In the future please send your comments to
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    Quote Originally Posted by Socalgal View Post
    Bush does absolutely nothing that he says he will do.


    Many of us knew that before he became president.


    IMHO no SS after only 18 months...it's is bullshit. .
    Last edited by Tramp429; January 6th, 2007 at 06:57 PM.

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    Oops.. I updated my post, but did say that ;-)

    [ Originally Posted by Socalgal View Post
    Bush does absolutely nothing that he says he will do.]

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    While this certainly appears troubling at first glance, I think we all know that the people working illegally in the U.S. aren't doing so using a SSN that they have any right to, and are not planning on attempting to collect benefits. In fact, if and when they do, this agreement could actually serve as a law enforcement 'sting.'

    It does seem, though, that entering into a reciprocal agreement on retirement taxation of wages with a country on such a different economic level with us as Mexico is not a great idea. Who negotiated this?

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    U.S. Commissioner of Social Security signed a totalization agreement with the Director General of the Mexican Social Security Institute on June 29, 2004.
    From NumbersUSA.COM http://www.numbersusa.com/hottopic/totalization.htm
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    Quote Originally Posted by no1_vern View Post
    I didnt really care all that much about Illegals being around helping the economy. BUT to allow them to be vested in SS benefits after only a year and a half when it TOOK ME 40 QUARTERS(10 YEARS) to get to the point that I could recieve benefits if I needed them(or will need them when I retire) is rediculous.
    Let's get the facts straight:
    Under the agreement, Mexicans could qualify for Social Security after 18 months of work in the United States. But first they would have to reach a total of 40 quarter-years of work — as required of all full-time residents of the United States — with work in Mexico, Lassiter said.

    And, he stressed, the U.S. share of their benefits would be calculated based on their work time in the United States rather than their overall work history.http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...e/4442855.html
    So, the immigrant who worked in Mexico for many years but worked in the U.S. for 18 months would get U.S. Social Security based upon 18 months of work. That's a very small amount of money, and not "drain more billions from a system" as Atomic Rooster said. So, basically these alliens would be deriving benefits in proportion to the amount that they paid into the U.S. system. That doesn't sound particularly unfair to me.
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    OPPS!!! I guess everybody just swallowed their tounges. Leave it to MTAtech to find the facts while everyone else is content to play with the jacks. Read the sig people!!
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