January 13th, 2007, 02:06 PM #1
Their claims-of americans NOT wanting to work - true?
Many people complain about immigrants taking jobs from americans. Is that true? In a report it seems like the fact is Americans DONT WANT to work at certain low paying jobs.
Increasingly the CEOs, politicians, and immigration activists seem to be proven more and more correct with the view that "Americans dont want to work" - at least with certain menial jobs:
What are these jobs that Americans will not do? Do they exist? Or are they a figment of the business community's imagination? It turns out that their claims are largely true—there are plenty of jobs Americans avoid. Let's take a tour of them. Americans shun pretty much any unskilled labor that requires them to get their hands dirty: landscaping, entry-level construction, picking fruits and vegetables (Reuters reports that "up to 70 percent of U.S. farm workers are estimated to be undocumented, totaling about 500,000 people"), cleaning hotel rooms, busing tables, and prep cooking in urban restaurants.But the refusal to do jobs is moving up the value chain. American workers appear to be less interested in some kinds of factory jobs. The Washington Post, for example, recently reported that Georgia's carpet factories are increasingly dominated by Mexican immigrant workers.
OR is it as the article claims the fault of the organizations trying to make a buck?:
Rather, it lies with the CEOs, business owners, university and hospital administrators, and government officials—and ultimately, with all of us who benefit from cheap labor—to offer the wages and benefits necessary to attract sufficient numbers of legal workers. There's a reason they call the labor market a market.
Even the armed forces are looking at allowing immigrants to join much more widely than they are now.The idea of signing up foreigners who are seeking US citizenship is gaining traction as a way to address a critical need for the Pentagon, while fully absorbing some of the roughly one million immigrants that enter the United States legally each year.
Last edited by no1_vern; January 13th, 2007 at 03:16 PM. Reason: Had to correct misinturpretation on article.They say technology slows down for no one. I know it outruns my wallet. I figure its because my wallet isn't light enough yet.
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January 13th, 2007, 02:13 PM #2
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Why don't you post the conclusion of that very article?Americans haven't grown too wealthy and snooty for the kind of work that gets your hands dirty, or for nursing, or for computer programming. Rather, the people who have the skills to enter those fields also have opportunities and skills to enter other fields. And so they have to decide whether the rewards—monetary and psychological—of the opportunity before them are worth it. It's not so much that Americans aren't willing to pick fruit and become computer programmers. Rather, they aren't willing to do those jobs for the prevailing wages and benefits. The Army may need foreign nationals to help fill its ranks, but the private security firms that pay six-figure salaries to ex-military types for security work don't. People without much in the way of skills or education probably prefer to take entry-level jobs at Wal-Mart rather than work at a meat-packing plant, even though it might pay a little less—it's less dangerous and disgusting.
The failure here isn't in the work ethic of Americans. Rather, it lies with the CEOs, business owners, university and hospital administrators, and government officials—and ultimately, with all of us who benefit from cheap labor—to offer the wages and benefits necessary to attract sufficient numbers of legal workers. There's a reason they call the labor market a market.I never meant to say that the Conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally Conservative. I believe that is so obviously and universally admitted a principle that I hardly think any gentleman will deny it. --J.S. Mill
January 13th, 2007, 02:17 PM #3
They're right vern. Alot of Americans these days are too damn lazy and have no interest working hard. I'm a delivery driver and have had trainees quit after only 2 days claiming the work was too stressfull and hard.Unofficial TechIMO record holder for the number of times being added and removed from beemer's ignore list.
January 13th, 2007, 02:30 PM #4
January 13th, 2007, 02:57 PM #5
It's a difference in experience. In America, the government "Mommy" will take care of you. In Mexico, your starve to death or go on the streets and beg."The world burns while Obama Tweets."
January 13th, 2007, 07:30 PM #6
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Americans are not lazy. Rather they do not want to work for artificially low wages caused by illegals.
The failure to pay taxes, to live 10 people to a room also make it easier for the illegal to survive on such low wages.
However the artificially low wages and concentrated housing cause unreasonable load on socialist services provided by the government. Schools police jails medical services all suffer
January 13th, 2007, 07:53 PM #7In America, the government "Mommy" will take care of you.
And I think that Epidemic hit the nail on the head with his post.
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January 13th, 2007, 09:13 PM #8Originally Posted by Epidemic
And yes, "mommy" (government welfare) will take care of you if you are unwilling or unable to find a job.
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January 13th, 2007, 09:16 PM #9
That's very nice Atomic....but that is just one job.
January 13th, 2007, 09:24 PM #10And yes, "mommy" (government welfare) will take care of you if you are unwilling or unable to find a job.
Yet even before the passing of this bill, welfare still only accounted for one-fourth of the income of poor adults. And nearly halfof the income received by poor adults came from some sort of work.
About three-fourths of the poor received some type of noncash benefit (such as Medicaid, food stamps, or housing assistance). With only about 40% receiving cash welfare payments.
Not to mention that only a small percentage of the poor (about 10%) remain poor for more than five consecutive years.
You have this preconception that there are millions upon millions of people taking your tax money and buying HD TV's with it, while they do nothing for income. The fact is that most poor work, and even with the welfare that they receive they still don't reach the poverty line.
January 13th, 2007, 09:34 PM #11
Huh. That's interesting. I have a friend who lives off of welfare. She has two kids and they pay for her housing (HUD) and she get's food stamps, medicade and also works side jobs for some good cash. She also gets child support when her deadbeat ex hubby decides to pay it.Unofficial TechIMO record holder for the number of times being added and removed from beemer's ignore list.
January 13th, 2007, 09:42 PM #12
I used to think the same thing, we see one person who abuses the system, and then we tend to think that everyone does it. But the reality is that there are a lot of legitimate people who need welfare to get by, and it turns out that a lot of them are able to move off of it in a few years.
The are many complex issues playing into why there are so many who are out of work, or work jobs which don't pay nearly enough. Most of it is totally out of our control, and deals with the corporations who control wages. Why pay an American worker $20 an hour w/ benefits when you can pay an illegal half of that and no benefits. The same reasons play into why manufacturing has moved heavily overseas. Its a complex issue, and there isn't one cause or solution.
January 13th, 2007, 09:54 PM #13
Sorry to say, she is not the exception, but the rule. I've seen and know of many others like her.
The illegals who work for us get the same benefits as the legal workers and get paid just as much. It's like that in most industries. Agriculture is a whole different story though.
January 13th, 2007, 11:22 PM #14
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January 13th, 2007, 11:30 PM #15
It's hard to get in as a driver with UPS as they mostly promote from within. But I'm sure you can find a job in the dock, loading and unloading. That's not easy work though. They really bust your ass in there. But if ya stick it out, you can get promoted to driver or into management.
January 14th, 2007, 03:38 AM #16
UPS is primarily part timers, but if you hang in there you will get your shot at a package truck - that's where you make the big bucks and the big ulcers!
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