U.S. Divided?

**Shipuuden** · March 28th, 2007, 02:07 PM

Is the United States Divided?
Enough to cause another Civil War, or Revolution/Rebellion against the government?

**Theophylact** · March 28th, 2007, 02:11 PM

Originally Posted by Shipuuden

Is the United States Divided?
Enough to cause another Civil War or Revolution/Rebellion?

Yes; no.

**jokostel** · March 28th, 2007, 02:12 PM

yes/yes

**GiPilot12** · March 28th, 2007, 02:23 PM

yes:no

I don't think that there are enough people that are well coordinated to rebel.

**jokostel** · March 28th, 2007, 02:25 PM

Originally Posted by GiPilot12

yes:no

I don't think that there are enough people that are well coordinated to rebel.

Really?
youd be surprized.

**SoloCamo** · March 28th, 2007, 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by jokostel

Really?
youd be surprized.

Honestly joko, in this day and age..The majority wouldn't be stupid enough to even attempt or even plan to attempt a rebellion.

**Epidemic** · March 28th, 2007, 02:30 PM

Those who would rebel on either side are the extreme fringe.

Most people may feel strongly enough to change the channel on occasion to voice their disgust. but leave work, buy a gun and take a machine gun nest or bomb a government office are few and far between.

**jokostel** · March 28th, 2007, 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by SoloCamo

Honestly joko, in this day and age..The majority wouldn't be stupid enough to even attempt or even plan to attempt a rebellion.

Well.. Im sure it wouldn't happen until MAJOR gun control legislation was passed... who knows on that one.... youve seen what i think on the racist remark thread, on the last page (5?)

It deals with this actually... oddly enough.

**zen** · March 28th, 2007, 02:36 PM

yes; no

How about we unite instead and throw every politician out of office.

**jokostel** · March 28th, 2007, 02:38 PM

Originally Posted by zen

How about we unite instead and throw every politician out of office.

Im with you on that one...

Thomas Jefferson quote :
God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ... What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.

**Epidemic** · March 28th, 2007, 02:40 PM

who do we replace em with

I want more conservative.

and you want more liberal.

**jokostel** · March 28th, 2007, 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by Epidemic

who do we replace em with

I want more conservative.

and you want more liberal.

Hell no.

Realistically i want neither.
I want people in office who care about 3 things.
Family
State
Country
IN THAT ORDER
no political affiliation at all.

**Shipuuden** · March 28th, 2007, 02:49 PM

I think one should care more about country then family.

**Epidemic** · March 28th, 2007, 02:50 PM

Originally Posted by jokostel

Im with you on that one...

Thomas Jefferson quote :
God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ... What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.

those are mighty fine ideals but War 9 out of 10 times costs more than it benefits.

we would be ethiopia if we spent all the resources required on a civil war every 20 years or so. Instead we invested in roads, military to protect, infrastructure and interstate trade agreements.

with iraq, (knowing we do not have the will or balls to win)

would it not have been better to spend 500 billion additional dollars on (alternative fuels, shipping/border security, targeted assasinations, and serious imigration reform) a few things we could eliminate a huge source of funding for the middle east terrorist.

Even if they squeek a nuke through to NYC 500 billion would put you on the road to revovery.

**jokostel** · March 28th, 2007, 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by Shipuuden

I think one should care more about country then family.

Without your family and something to make you fight for whats right... why bother at all?

The FIRST duty to anyone should be to their family.... then youre home... then youre country...

Robert E Lee said it best :
With all my devotion to the Union and the feeling of loyalty and duty of an American citizen, I have not been able to make up my mind to raise my hand against my relatives, my children, my home. I have therefore resigned my commission in the Army, and save in defense of my native State, with the sincere hope that my poor services may never be needed, I hope I may never be called on to draw my sword...

**Shipuuden** · March 28th, 2007, 03:03 PM

I would Fight for my Country and Honor, before I would Fight for family and self.

Thomas Jackson---
The patriot volunteer, fighting for country and his rights, makes the most reliable soldier on earth.

Douglas MacArthur---
Duty, honour, country: Those three hallowed words reverently dictate what you ought to be, what you can be, what you will be. They are your rallying point to build courage when courage seems to fail, to regain faith when there seems to be little cause for faith, to create hope when hope becomes forlorn.

**jokostel** · March 28th, 2007, 03:11 PM

like i said before...

why should you fight for something... when you have nothing to fight for back home?

a man is gonna fight a hell of a lot harder for the cause... if it gives him a sense of being/action/accomplishment.... and a knowledge of, that with his last breath, he did what he could to insure that his death was not in vein... so that their wives, sons/daughters knew that he fought with every ounce he could.

Shippu... im not exactly disagreeing with you... but im saying for me... and many others... priorities in the realm of why we fight are different.

**Shipuuden** · March 28th, 2007, 03:24 PM

I was just saying that I think for a leader Country should be more important.

**jokostel** · March 28th, 2007, 03:26 PM

being a leader has very little do do with why and who you fight for... but more so to deal with how to fight, and how to be as effective as possible and minimalize loss of life, on your side.

A good leader takes orders, relays them to his men... trains his men,
talks to his men... and he MUST respect his men... but its up to the leader if he wants to show it.

**GiPilot12** · March 28th, 2007, 03:35 PM

Originally Posted by jokostel

Hell no.

Realistically i want neither.
I want people in office who care about 3 things.
Family
State
Country
IN THAT ORDER
no political affiliation at all.

I agree 100%

what's going on? I am fully and without compromise agreeing to this right wing nut