Whats wrong with the "real ID act"??

[no1_vern]

It seems like a lost cause to try to stop the Real ID act, but MANY are trying to do so anyway.
Should we stop the Real ID act?

As listed at DHS its intended purpose is to

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prevent terrorism, reduce fraud, and improve the reliability and accuracy of identification documents that State governments issue.

While I believe it it just another ineffective waste of money being applied as a patch by the government, I was wondering, Does everyone feel that way? Should we stop the Real ID act? If so, Why? If not, Why not??

[Smidley]

Just another area where the Fed is taking control away from the states. Federalism is dying, my friends. (It's been dying for a long time, but that's another thread.)

Some disagree, but you should judge for yourself:

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From Wikipedia.org

There is disagreement about whether the Real ID Act institutes a "national identification card" system. The new law only sets forth national standards, but leaves the issuance of cards and the maintenance of databases in state hands; therefore, it is not a true "national ID" system, and may even forestall the arrival of national ID.

Others argue that this is a trivial distinction, and that the new cards are in fact national ID cards, thanks to the uniform national standards created by the AAMVA and (especially) the linked databases.

Arguments for and against identity cards are covered in detail under identity document.

I've also heard that they would like to add RFID chips to the cards. NO THANKS, DHS!

[Theophylact]

Another problem is that it will be used to deny the vote to the poor (the ID card will cost a lot), the elderly (who may have to travel to a few centers to get one), the young (who frequently change addresses), the foreign-born (who may find it difficult to come up with their papers) -- all of whom tend to vote Democratic. That was what the so-called "voter fraud prevention" programs were all designed to do.

[tony_j15]

Theo, thanks for playing into their hands. get us squabbling over reps and dems while they continue to seize control and take freedoms.
we need to stop pointing fingers at each other and point one big middle FU finger at government.

[Toadman]

Divide and Conquer my friends.

[samwichse]

RealID: A giant affront to state's rights.

RealID: Because none of the 911 hijackers could possibly have gotten one.

RealID: Costing the taxpayers mucho moola for no tangible benifits that I can see.

RealID: Big brother is watching you?

RealID: Why?

Sam

[BBA]

It's nothing more than smoke and mirrors. Current ID systems work, they need to be linked and accuracy checked to get a better benefit...new cards with rfid chips is nothing but a way for people with portable scanners to steal other peoples ID's.

[The Real Bingo]

Sounds pretty dumb to me.

[carl33p]

Dont know too much about it; but if it only calls for an ID to be presented at a "vulnerable facility," I could care less.

I have to carry around my College ID card to do just about anything on campus.
And IMO, its a good thing.

[samwichse]

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Dont know too much about it; but if it only calls for an ID to be presented at a "vulnerable facility," I could care less.

Then the "vulnerable facility" becomes the gas station, bank, supermarket, library, bar, liquor store, restaurant, hospital, The Gap, financial aid building, DMV, work, blockbuster store, etc.

Then the government has a file of pretty much everything you've done/do in a day, and guess how good the government is at preventing abuse of your data? Not losing/having your data stolen? Not selling your data to private industry who will also abuse/lose/have stolen/sell your data?

All for (again), no tangible benifit.

Sam