Ron Paul for President

SiliconJon · January 6th, 2008, 01:38 PM

I feel like you're completely ignoring the substance of Toadman's post, Beemer. Most of those classifications pose a creationist's ideology. Christian/Jewish/Muslim faiths do not support the belief of evolution because Adam & Eve, or the original "MAN", was not a monkey nor a fish. One can try to bring in science to the table, but the more detailed the science to the table the more hypocritical the religion (not faith) becomes. But that conversation will take us way off topic.

I can see how one would argue that education of our children is everyone's prerogative. They are the future of our country and our species as a whole. But putting that demand into the hands of the government in order to force all to pay into the funds is not working, nor do I see anyway it could given the intense corruption so inherent in man. Too many of these funds taken from us under the guise of education wind up elsewhere, and our public schools have become a cesspool of failure at the bottom driven by corruption at the top tiers.

Do you know what my children learn at their public school? Lincoln was the freer of the slaves, and the civil war was fought just for that reason. I was taught that as well in both a Lutheran School and in my public high school. Yet when that is brought up on national television it is refuted tooth and nail in order to disprove Dr. Paul's point. And I'm not here to argue any points about the civil war - I understand the many aspects of politics, including that war, and that a single polarizing event was not the sole fuel to the fire as some would argue - but let us not get into that debate here anyway. Another thing taught to my kids at their public school: why they should join the armed forces. They have also learned the "perp walk", they are stifled from conversation during lunch, and left to anarchy during recess while staff hide inside for their retreat. They fall behind with insufficient staff to bring them back to par, so the scoring system is adjusted, they are fed worthless crap for food, much of which is just short of poison, even if slow acting.

SiliconJon · January 6th, 2008, 01:48 PM

Well, that was submitted before I was done. Our government is failing us on too many fronts. I don't know how I could afford schooling if others around me weren't helping foot the bill, but given the rate at which the stolen funds are pillaged for other purposes it would not take nearly as many nor nearly as much contribution from my neighbors to assist in my children's education. As bankrupt as we are all becoming I can't see us being able to foot the bill right now anyway, but it still remains there is a great deal of house cleaning that is needed, and such must be done before anything real can be done with this failing system. We have to bring things back to the people. I would love to see more people with similar limited system ideals making it into our system as well as freedom loving alternate ideals for balance and matching towards those of Dr. Paul's which I do not find solace in, and hopefully we can start making enough repairs to allow a true democracy to develop, but for now Dr. Paul is my best shot and sniping this system.

It will not be easy, as it's an uphill battle for both he and his ideological supporters, and there's a great chance the machine will devour him, but we must keep giving it flak until it is ours again, else slavery versus blood will again become the only option for those who desire freedom over oppression. It is, after all, oppression that has lead mankind for the vast majority of our history. Progressing beyond it is not easy, and such a battle will likely endure for many ages yet to come.

Beemer · January 6th, 2008, 02:14 PM

Like I said, "Ron Paul's comment that he doesn't believe in evolution is worrisome although my fears were a little relieved by the vid Smidley provided.

But, what if Paul or another creationist gets into office, sooner or later recognising their evangelical imperative?"

Most of Toad's list is pre 1970. These are before the age of biology and it's recognised importance in the public education system. That's where his list isn't relevant.

The rest of your post has many good points if in fact true. My example of how a politician can screw up things would be Perry in Texas. Creationist, evangelist. Say goodbye to a sound education in Texas if he is successful. That's on the State level. Would removing federal oversight guard against such a monster? At present doesn't federal oversight of public education offer the means to battle the creationists in the public school system?

It only takes one of these idiots in each state to throw you guys back into the dark ages.

SiliconJon · January 6th, 2008, 02:58 PM

Federal oversight is imposed on the federally controlled system. I guess the difference I see is that it is the federal control that would allow such a person to revert us to the dark ages - something I whole-heartedly agree would be a huge step back for mankind, the direction I am directly trying to avoid. But putting it into the hands of the market will not give us a "free ride", as diligence and awareness will still be required on our part in order to avoid the system becoming corrupt because a free market is not a cure, but rather I am seeking to have a system that is more accountable and maliable, without loosing the core "regulations" applied by basic laws providing freedom. The ability to move forward is essential, as is the prohibition of movement in directions against freedom.

Back to the man, digressing from the principles, Mr. Ron Paul has 20k+ news articles on Google News search today. A great many are a result of Fox's fascist face coming into brighter light.

Smidley · January 6th, 2008, 04:11 PM

Ron Paul with Wolf Blitzer
January 6, 2008

SiliconJon · January 6th, 2008, 05:07 PM

In 1 hour Ron Paul's New Hampshire Town Hall forum will be live-streamed :

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/snippets/...ster-townhall/

A last minute phone campaign to NH to inform viewers would be ideal...

Toadman · January 7th, 2008, 01:23 AM

Smidley · January 7th, 2008, 01:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SiliconJon

In 1 hour Ron Paul's New Hampshire Town Hall forum will be live-streamed :

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/snippets/...ster-townhall/

A last minute phone campaign to NH to inform viewers would be ideal...

Smidley · January 7th, 2008, 03:09 AM

Spontaneous gathering of Ron Paul supporters in NH

Toadman · January 7th, 2008, 12:10 PM

Although not invited, Ron Paul is the default winner of tonight's FOX debate. The publicity it garnered, the number of people who do NOT support Dr. Paul that have woken up to the agenda of FOX has benefitted Dr. Paul, Dems and Repubs alike.

The other candidates either bicker, attack or simply parrot each other's views. There is little difference in the big picture between them. Old school moderate positioning. Ron Paul ALONE attempts to bring attention to the most important issues in the debates like sound monetary policy, American sovereignty, fiscal irresponsibility, the loss of our inalienable Constitutional rights and the foreign policy which is feeding anti-american sentiment even among moderate muslims and our western friends alike, while driving us ever onward to recession and fiscal bankruptcy. While the dems and repub candidates alike push for more taxpayer-funded social programs like nat'l health care and the never-ending war(Nevermind that RP trounces all candidates in popularity in the armed forces.)

Alot of people sit back after reading and hearing him and say "wow, is this guy for real? Does such an untainted politician really still exist?"

Notice not one candidate or media has attacked his character and record, nor has anyone effectively come out against his ideology. They still don't perceive him as a threat, although Huckabee is starting to parrot him.

McCain snickered "we'll miss you in NH, Paul."