Ron Paul for President

nemowolf · February 9th, 2008, 02:41 AM

so whats going on with the campaign for ron paul now!?

MTAtech · February 9th, 2008, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by nemowolf

so whats going on with the campaign for ron paul now!?

Thanks for bringing us back on topic. It makes no sense trying to argue with the Charlton Heston 'cold-dead hands' gun crowd using facts and logic. To them, gun ownership is a religion.

Never mind that the 2nd Amend was designed to protect State militias and not individuals; never mind that every other place that has limits on firearms has fewer murders. They just want to hold onto their guns as if it was their sacred second penis.

Fact is, Ron Paul is irrelevant in the 2008 campaign. McCain will be the nominee and Paul will be a mere footnote.

Friedchicken100 · February 9th, 2008, 10:16 AM

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Never mind that the 2nd Amend was designed to protect State militias and not individuals; never mind that every other place that has limits on firearms has fewer murders.

And what would said militias fight with? Sticks perhaps?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=j_YTM_eAWnQ

MTAtech · February 9th, 2008, 10:48 AM

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And what would said militias fight with? Sticks perhaps?

Sorry, that's just dumb. Back in 1800, one might argue that the States needed borrow muskets owned by private individuals but that notion is absurd now. The States have ample firearms to support their militias.

SoloCamo · February 9th, 2008, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by MTAtech

Thanks for bringing us back on topic. It makes no sense trying to argue with the Charlton Heston 'cold-dead hands' gun crowd using facts and logic. To them, gun ownership is a religion.

Never mind that the 2nd Amend was designed to protect State militias and not individuals; never mind that every other place that has limits on firearms has fewer murders. They just want to hold onto their guns as if it was their sacred second penis.

Again, you prove only to me that you have a childish mentality on the subject. You keep bringing up "manliness" on a subject that has nothing to do with "being a man".

You keep speaking of facts and logic, but you bring nothing but snide remarks to the table.

I grew up on long island, in a city called Glen Cove. I'm sure you've heard of it, and you know it's real far from being some redneck town in the back country, yet I feel the same way about preserving the right to own guns.

You may feel safe with your good old 9/11 on speed dial, but (and I hope it never happens) you do get in a situation like that, you would see my point. Praying and begging won't save your life. So feel safe and be defenseless, or know your safe and prepared.

MTAtech · February 9th, 2008, 12:42 PM

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Again, you prove only to me that you have a childish mentality on the subject.

Actually, that's my criticism of your side. I DO bring up facts and logic, such as how the U.S. has the highest murder rate of any developing country and the overwhelming evidence that owning a gun, instead of making one secure, only increases the chance that a family member will die from it. What does the pro-gun side bring to the table? They just repeat the childish rant "I want my guns, I want my guns," without any regard for how that effects society - to the extent that one poster said that the he would fire upon law enforcement personnel who attempted to enforce the law.

SoloCamo · February 9th, 2008, 02:07 PM

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Actually, that's my criticism of your side. I DO bring up facts and logic, such as how the U.S. has the highest murder rate of any developing country and the overwhelming evidence that owning a gun, instead of making one secure, only increases the chance that a family member will die from it. What does the pro-gun side bring to the table? They just repeat the childish rant "I want my guns, I want my guns," without any regard for how that effects society - to the extent that one poster said that the he would fire upon law enforcement personnel who attempted to enforce the law.

Did you miss my whole section on self defense in the post? Again, where are your facts that there is an increased chance that a family member will die from it. You just keep putting out words with nothing to back it up.

We've got an old .22 rifle in the house....no one's been shot yet and you better pray for the burglar that would be stupid enough to break in here. But that's exactly it, criminals expect people to be defenseless. When one puts up a equally or more powerful defense they soon learn to not assume.

When I first moved down to florida from NY and learned that people had a right to concealed firearms I was shocked and pretty scared/nervous. But you know what? There are far less murders around here whether it be knife, gun, beatings, etc than there were back in Glen Cove. Hell, I feel far safer knowing every person could potentially have a loaded gun under their shirt, then knowing no one but the criminals do.

See my point?

MTA, you claim people who are pro-gun just claim "I want my gun, I want my gun". But you know what I hear from your side? "Gun bad, Gun kills!". Sounds very caveman like, and thats the mentality behind it because guns don't kill, people kill people.

America is not like every other nation out there, so comparing it to others is pretty ridiculous. For one, we've got a serious "war on drugs" that causes A LOT of murders, and aides gang warfare simply because drugs are big profit.

Like Bingo posted, I'm going to have to agree with Thomas Jefferson on this one.

Taking away firearms just disarms the good, law-abiding citizens. What's left? Criminals who would have the guns whether or not the law was in place. Criminals DO NOT FOLLOW LAWS. I've repeated my self on the subject thousands of times here. What is so hard to understand?

Smidley · February 9th, 2008, 05:44 PM

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so whats going on with the campaign for ron paul now!?

Unfortunately, they're scaling back.

Disley · February 9th, 2008, 06:09 PM

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Jackie Mason FTW.

So how far does your government have to go before there's a rebellion and an well regulated armed militia removes it.
Lets face it, those days are long gone, what worked in the eighteenth century wont work now.
We've all seen what happens to the people who stand up to the FBI and ATF.
They bring them out in body bags.

EXreaction · February 9th, 2008, 06:14 PM

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So how far does your government have to go before there's a rebellion and an well regulated armed militia removes it.
Lets face it, those days are long gone, what worked in the eighteenth century wont work now.
We've all seen what happens to the people who stand up to the FBI and ATF.
They bring them out in body bags.

If they have any trouble taking you out while you are surrounded, they can just drop a mortar on you if you live in the middle of nowhere.

Or just wait until night and try to storm the place with shotguns, teargas, and flash grenades.

You are kidding yourself if you think you can piss off the FBI/CIA and stay in your home.