Ron Paul for President

[EXreaction]

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Real Bingo

I'd say there are too many soldiers. Small, mobile teams of elite soldiers are more successful against an enemy like this. Of course, intelligence needs to be top-notch, too.


BTW, I threw my vote away during the PA primary for RP and plan on doing it in the general. No Republican wins PA anyway, so I may as well vote for an actual conservative.

For them to continue the way they want, I'd say they have too few, but yes, I agree, if you really want to fight an enemy that hides in the shadows and among the public you need a small crew who can do the same (or a bunch of small crews).

I don't have any idea how hard it would be to find enough intelligent individuals with in the army (probably easier in the Marines) for missions like that where one would have to act alone periodically and work with a group all while being secretive.

[Sarah L]

Quote:

Originally Posted by EXreaction

Gee, I guess you just don't realize BS from your CO when you hear it. I don't have to shoot somebody to know that it does not take 13 months to "start getting good". You get good from your training before hand, then you get used to the environment.

GOOD IS WHEN YOU CAN STEP INTO YOUR SERGEANTS SHOES AND TAKE OVER TROOP

[EXreaction]

WHICH DOES NOT REQUIRE THAT YOU BE ON THE BATTLEFIELD FOR THIRTEEN MONTHS TO GET THAT FAR.

Maybe the *first* time you are out it takes that long, but as I said, if it takes longer than 13 months every rotation you have some problems.

[Sarah L]

Quote:

Originally Posted by EXreaction

WHICH DOES NOT REQUIRE THAT YOU BE ON THE BATTLEFIELD FOR THIRTEEN MONTHS TO GET THAT FAR.

Maybe the *first* time you are out it takes that long, but as I said, if it takes longer than 13 months every rotation you have some problems.

Your second time out you are a SERGEANT. NCO quality is what you get with 13 to 15 months. Quality that allows you to transfer the lessons you have learned to the new guys.

LESSONS THAT WILL SAVE THEIR LIVES SO THEY LIVE LONG ENOUGH TO BE THE NEXT SERGEANT. Or just be a Dad back home having a life.

[sharder8]

Quote:

Originally Posted by EXreaction

WHICH DOES NOT REQUIRE THAT YOU BE ON THE BATTLEFIELD FOR THIRTEEN MONTHS TO GET THAT FAR.

Maybe the *first* time you are out it takes that long, but as I said, if it takes longer than 13 months every rotation you have some problems.

And here folks is a prime example of an arm chair General, who hasn't a frickin' clue about the crap he's spouting!

Let me clue you in a bit EX . . .

New soldier recieves initial training . . . with as much realistic as safety will allow, while using the most common battlefield scenario.

Soldier goes on his first deployment to combat zone . . . finds out that enemy is constantly changing the scenario . . . all the while, learning how to survive and complete the missions.

Soldier learns a lot, survives, gets promoted to NCO and rotates back to home station. At home station the new NCO goes back into training mode to learn how to be a leader and the basics of teaching his new soldiers what he has learned.

New NCO rotates back into combat zone . . . now with his own men to teach how to survive and accomplish the mission . . . while additionally making sure they DO survive and come back home.

Sounds pretty simple, right???

Now, let's throw in the fact that the join/ETS cause a continuous rotation of new people into the unit . . . EM's, NCO's, and Officers. That mix includes junior Officers that those same NCO's take under their wing and teach how to survive and lead. It's a never ending cycle, the thankfully we have a professional Army, with outstanding NCO's to teach and watch over our enlisted men and junior Officers.
_______________________________

Now let's look at the stupidity of your time frame . . .

The first thing the new troop has to go through is acclimation to the weather, food, clock, noise, etc. Just the temperature can take several weeks to become used to working in with the equipment that he/she will wear/carry. Then you have the classes on survivability . . . and how to deal with the rapidly changing situations and scenario's. Finally, the patrols and missions become a reality and the new troop goes on their first missions, with a good chance of making it back to base because of his training.

But wait . . . it's not that simple!

You see, the whole time, the troop is also being taught how to lead, think, and teach.

Answer this EX, how many patrols/missions would a troop have to go on, before you would trust them with your son/daughter/brother/sister???

______________________________

Now, let's make it more difficult . . .

You have troops that get sick, wounded, killed, etc., those troops are usually replaced quickly with battlefield promotions and new replacements. Wait . . . . wait . . . what happens to the training/experience of the unit . . . that's right, it adds more time for training in the new people. Now, through this whole cycle period, troops start to burn out and hopefully are rotated back to the states to rest and recover, including a little recreation, before the whole cycle starts again with added responsibilty, more leadership training, more new people, more new scenario's, etc.

More to follow . . .

Harder

[sharder8]

Tell me EX . . . who hates the United States and our Government so-o-o much, he was looking at moving to another country . . .

How many years have you put in the military?
How many combat tours have you done?
How many men have you trained to lead and survive?
How many years have you spent in classrooms and field exercises learning how to deal with any and every possible scenario?

What do you have to bring to the table to support your assertions? (You can break that word down into 2 parts . . . ass and ertions.)

And here on these forums, you have the audacity to not only tell Sarah_L, who is currently serving our country, that she hasn't a clue about what she's saying . . . but also her CO, who has served combat tours.

You're pathetic EX!!!!

Harder

[sharder8]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toadman

In the rear with the gear and a clipboard. My son(31B) thanks you everytime he goes outside the wire and so do I.

Hey, hey, hey Toadman . . .

Things have been changing and the combat zone is dramatically different than when you were in.

REMF's are fully capable combat troops now and seem to see just about as much action as the front line troops. Plus, they are still required to fulfill their tasks to support the troops on the front . . . forget that word, the battlefield today can be any and everywhere "in country". Ask your son . . . (after you thank him for his service for me).

You may also want to think about this . . . I, like many staff REMF's, was a combat troop first. I didn't carry a non-combat MOS until my 11th year, and that one was only a duty related MOS. My official MOS when I left the service was still 11A3Z.

Harder

Now that I'm done ranting . . . let's try to get back on topic.

[Chuckiechan]

One of the things that makes our military so strong is the cadre of leaders who have served in combat.

This is a huge advantage over our enemies.

And unlike our enemies we don't "spend" lives - experience and training are worth keeping.

[Toadman]

Quote:

And unlike our enemies we don't "spend" lives - experience and training are worth keeping.

This is QFT(quoted for truth). Cheers!

[sharder8]

Quote:

Originally Posted by sharder8

Tell me EX . . . who hates the United States and our Government so-o-o much, he was looking at moving to another country . . .

How many years have you put in the military?
How many combat tours have you done?
How many men have you trained to lead and survive?
How many years have you spent in classrooms and field exercises learning how to deal with any and every possible scenario?

What do you have to bring to the table to support your assertions? (You can break that word down into 2 parts . . . ass and ertions.)

Harder

Hey EX --

I'm still waiting for your answers to the above questions . . .

Harder