Illegal immigration reform

jokostel · June 27th, 2007, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by The Real Bingo

I think genocide is the answer. Why is that not a poll option?

Banish him!
Stone him!
Ignore him!
(Gomer- go getm boy, SICKEM!)

We need to have the Govt do what I previously suggested.. I think that is our BEST course of action thus far.

Epidemic · June 27th, 2007, 02:39 PM

please stop TRB and jokostel

stay on target

washe · June 27th, 2007, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by surreal

You wouldn't have to replace all 20 million workers. Many companies would fail because you're also removing 20 million consumers.

Surreal hit the jackpot!

Lets says you remove the 20 million illegals and start to replace with legal citizens at a higher wage, prices will rise companies profit will decline.. whats next Outsourcing or moving the company to another country where they can profit more.

The pricing of an item = raw materials costs + manufacturing process costs + company profit.

Where manufacturing are the man hours and machinery costs breakdown to make the product.

Company will have these options most of the time, Increase the product price at expense to the consumer, Decrease company profit or move the company to another country where they can reduce the costs.

jokostel · June 27th, 2007, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Epidemic

please stop TRB and jokostel

stay on target

I most certainly did... the bottom half of my last post is just that case.

What I find almost "funny" is that Dems & Reps can't even agree on what to do, even inter-party related.

jokostel · June 27th, 2007, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by washe

Surreal hit the jackpot!

Lets says you remove the 20 million illegals and start to replace with legal citizens at a higher wage, prices will rise companies profit will decline.. whats next Outsourcing or moving the company to another country where they can profit more.

The pricing of an item = raw materials costs + manufacturing process costs + company profit.

Where manufacturing are the man hours and machinery costs breakdown to make the product.

Company will have these options most of the time, Increase the product price at expense to the consumer, Decrease company profit or move the company to another country where they can reduce the costs.

No offense, but your biased by reasons of culture... and not thinking logically...
1. They have NO right to be here.
2. This country is taking a HUGE loss even having them here...
3. It makes it that much harder for the folks from the world (Mexico) included, that WANT to come here legally.
I don't give a damn, nor does anyone else if they are Canadian,European,Mexican,Spanish,Honduran,Portueg uese(spelling?), or Cuban.. GO THRU THE RIGHT CHANNELS TO GET HERE LAWFULLY.
Then start your life here.. by getting a job, paying your taxes, getting a home, being civil, and start a family or have your family grow and cherish the land they walk on, and be thankful for the freedoms they enjoy.

That's really all that most people ask for.

Epidemic · June 27th, 2007, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by washe

Surreal hit the jackpot!

Lets says you remove the 20 million illegals and start to replace with legal citizens at a higher wage, prices will rise companies profit will decline.. whats next Outsourcing or moving the company to another country where they can profit more.

The pricing of an item = raw materials costs + manufacturing process costs + company profit.

Where manufacturing are the man hours and machinery costs breakdown to make the product.

Company will have these options most of the time, Increase the product price at expense to the consumer, Decrease company profit or move the company to another country where they can reduce the costs.

I am not sure what you suggest.

I suggest legalization and high level of imported labor from all contries not a token number of europeans and african while while giving walk ins from the americas 99% of the open slots.

Epidemic · June 27th, 2007, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by jokostel

No offense, but your biased by reasons of culture... and not thinking logically...
1. They have NO right to be here.
2. This country is taking a HUGE loss even having them here...
3. It makes it that much harder for the folks from the world (Mexico) included, that WANT to come here legally.
I don't give a damn, nor does anyone else if they are Canadian,European,Mexican,Spanish,Honduran,Portueg uese(spelling?), or Cuban.. GO THRU THE RIGHT CHANNELS TO GET HERE LAWFULLY.
Then start your life here.. by getting a job, paying your taxes, getting a home, being civil, and start a family or have your family grow and cherish the land they walk on, and be thankful for the freedoms they enjoy.

That's really all that most people ask for.

I agree with much of that but I see no value in kicking 20,000,000 people out only to bring in a fresh crop of 18,000,000 in to meet the demand.

in the end we are talking about a lot of businesses being shaken up. I favor the from this day forward method if all the above is really done.

washe · June 27th, 2007, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by jokostel

No offense, but your biased by reasons of culture... and not thinking logically...
1. They have NO right to be here.
2. This country is taking a HUGE loss even having them here...
3. It makes it that much harder for the folks from the world (Mexico) included, that WANT to come here legally.
I don't give a damn, nor does anyone else if they are Canadian,European,Mexican,Spanish,Honduran,Portueg uese(spelling?), or Cuban.. GO THRU THE RIGHT CHANNELS TO GET HERE LAWFULLY.
Then start your life here.. by getting a job, paying your taxes, getting a home, being civil, and start a family or have your family grow and cherish the land they walk on, and be thankful for the freedoms they enjoy.

That's really all that most people ask for.

It not biased Joko, If you have read about previous post about me, I always state that USA needs to come with a plan to convert all those illegals into legal workers. Due that your economy depends on it, and that the main foe is not the illegals, its the company that contracts them and pays their wage, If they dont have a job it would be less possible that people migrate illegally.

I was setting a more financial perspective WHY YOU CANNOT GET RID OF 20,000,000 people at a heartbeat. There are several economic implications in this that I doubt the congress will like to face.

Either way the big companies are the ones that started to create this behavior, They want to sell at a low price with a high profit, I sell raw materials for several companies and many export their finish goods to USA.

My newest customer makes the salads you eat at Mcdonalds (of course if you eat there), yes they are made here in Mexico and shipped to the US distribution center and many different wares are done here, looking for a lower production costs.

And they do that in many different places of the world.

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I am not sure what you suggest.

I suggest legalization and high level of imported labor from all contries not a token number of europeans and african while while giving walk ins from the americas 99% of the open slots.

Leby · June 27th, 2007, 09:37 PM

On my own opinion, this is a hopeless case, even if the government give an amnesty or whatever, more people will be coming next year and every year, america is rich country and there are lots of 3rd world country around who would like to ventune here at all cost. the only way to curve this problem is to shoot anybody who will be caught crossing the border, or take out all border patrol and change with bounty hunter who will be paid 100 dollar for every head of illegal dead or alive, or make the salary of all illegal immigrants 1000 dollars a day, lets see if there is a single company who will hire them, and for all who are here already, send them to Iraq who ever come home alive will be given a green card.

Chuckiechan · June 27th, 2007, 10:56 PM

The is an "Elephant in the Room" that no one is talking about: Population growth.

In industrial societies, as the standard of living increases people have fewer children. We need an influx of young and able people to do the work.

No one is telling you the truth. That's why the Dem's and Rep's are pretty much on the same page, which is way off of where the average citizen is. We need population growth to keep buying all the crap that generates sales taxes and jobs.

No one dares bring up the truth.