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    List of defective bridges state by state

    MSNBC has a comprehensive list of the obsolete/deficient bridges by state Here.
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    Why bother? This country is being bled dry by the war, there's no money for something silly like infrastructure maintenance.
    I wonder how much other countries spend on highway and transportation upkeep and replacement compared to this one?

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    after looking at the map and seeing that PA is the state with the worst bridges, it makes me wonder what they used for their stats. I would assume PA is the worst because that state is full of winding farm roads with old farm bridges on it, actually it has more miles of road than California. However, little two lane roads shouldn't really be used to compare with the roads that could be a real danger like what happened in MN should it?
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    The war has nothing to do with the design, maintenance of this nations bridges.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keymaker View Post
    The war has nothing to do with the design, maintenance of this nations bridges.
    Exactly... people that have "agendas" will ALWAYS point out things that people hear and see in the news... and start playing the blame game... for their gain..
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    You are all acting like hysterical children.

    True, bridges need to be replaced. In the highway boom of the 1950's the bridges were built with a 50 year lifespan and they figured they would be replaced by then. They had a huge job of building lots and lots of roads.

    Just how many bridges are falling down each week?
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    The MN bridge was a freak accident IMO. You're not going to be able to make the roads 100% safe.

    edit: also I feel this list is misleading since the state does regular inspections to determine what traffic, if any, can be supported safely. If a bride is deemed dangerous, it's closed, regardless of the need for it or their ability to replace it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keymaker View Post
    The war has nothing to do with the design, maintenance of this nations bridges.
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    Great.. Massachusetts is falling apart!!
    We have so many bridges in this area ..and I go over about 15 of the ones on that list on a regular, if not daily basis.
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    Structural Integrity was failing back in the 90s... they were notified.. But it didn't pose as much of a problem as others apparently.... until last week.

    The same issue happened with our "Memorial Bridge". Only difference is they tore it down in time... and are rebuilding it..
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    Quote Originally Posted by surreal View Post
    Why bother? This country is being bled dry by the war, there's no money for something silly like infrastructure maintenance.
    I wonder how much other countries spend on highway and transportation upkeep and replacement compared to this one?
    That's a big load of shit, and you know it (or maybe you don't). Minnesota predicted a $2 billion budget surplus over the next three years. Tell me...who exactly takes care of state roads? The government in Washington surely doesn't. Why couldn't a state with a billion-dollar surplus fix a bridge in need of repair?

    OUR COUNTRY IS FALLING APART HOW COULD A BRIDGE POSSIBLE COLLAPSE?!?! IT'S UNHEARD OF! FLEE, AND MOVE TO BEIRUT BEFORE POTHOLES START RUINING OUR ROADS!!!!!

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    exactly.. the feds help a bit.. but its mostly funded by traffic vilolations,etc law enforcement income and state taxes
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobRich View Post
    You can only squeeze so much green from a dollar.
    -Rob -- How many of these bridges were needing major work in the late 90's . . . but only recieved minor upgrades? What was their excuse then? The MN bridge should have recieved serious attention several years ago, when large cracks were discovered. Instead, all that was done, was to bolt additional plating.

    In MN defense, and contrary to what TRB pointed out . . .

    It's taken MN a long time to recover from the fiasco of Jesse "The Body". MN had a nice surplus running when Jesse came into power, and by the time he left office 4 years later, MN was deep in the red.

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    The problem is "Bridges don't Vote". They don't give campaign contributions, and they don't make the papers when they work right.
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    It's also interesting to note that MN has about the third lowest percentage of obsolete and deficient bridges . . . according to the article.

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    Sharder8, did I say anything about the past? If I did, I must have missed it. See, that is the problem with the DebateIMO process. Many people here read a post, then oftentimes fill in the blanks with whatever predisposition they want, with little regard for whatever statement is actually posted.

    Let's get beyond the past and move into the present, or more like the near future. Look at state budgets. Now look at federal budgets. Considering our current expenses for other government projects, be it domestic or international, where are we going to get the money for what many feel could be extensive infrastructure repairs and upgrades in the near future? Much of our infrastructure built 50+ years ago is reaching an effective end of life from an engineering safety standpoint. The associated costs could quickly skyrocket into the hundreds of billions (or more) over the next decade or so.
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    Isn't it gas taxes that take care of the roadway?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrniceguy View Post
    Isn't it gas taxes that take care of the roadway?
    To a large extent. Roadway funding is derived from various sources at federal, state, and local levels. Associated taxes are largely levied on fuel, tires, certain trucks, certain trailers, and certain heavy vehicles. More info here:

    http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/safetealu/factsheets/htft.htm

    Significant funding for highways is currently provided under SAFETEA-LU, which represents a five-year $286.4 billion federal expenditure authorization. More info here:

    http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/safetealu/index.htm

    Also, you can access details about the federal Highway Trust Fund (for 2006) here:

    http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/reports/htffy06/index.htm

    For state funding, I suggest dropping a web search.

    The current problem is it appears we are stuck in build out mode to expand our roadway networks, but with only moderate thought regarding the extensive repair and replacement of the already existing infrastructure beyond basic maintenence. In other words, we would probably be well served to focus on addressing problems with existing roadways before continuing with further large-scale roadway expansion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuckiechan View Post
    The problem is "Bridges don't Vote". They don't give campaign contributions, and they don't make the papers when they work right.
    Indeed. It's not sexy enough for a congressperson. Who cares about bridges or roadways? After all, appealing to the constituents - the illegal immigrants, the gun freaks, the gays, the abortion-happy nutcases, the poor who'd rather live off their neighbors' paycheck, and the other various minority groups who barely make a speck on the windshield that is the USA - is what the congresspeople are worried about.

    Of course, when something like this does happen, they're all too happy to jump on the back of our President, who has been an escape goat for the Dumbocrats ever since they realized that pure incompetence isn't something they want to fess up to. It's so easy to blame a guy who has nothing to do with the problem...just like New Orleans.

    Blame Bush. It's quite easy, and is becoming the predictable play for all the spineless scum legislators in Washington. While they're sitting with their thumbs up their asses arguing about who to name the U.S. Post Office in Kalamazoo, Michigan after, bridges are collapsing...and since they want their sound byte on the evening news, the first thing they'll do is feign incredulity at such an event, and then will go right to the blame game. And of course, first thing on the list is "how can we spend so many billions of dollars in Iraq and not take care of our own country?" This tragedy is an all-too-convenient event for the anti-war folk to try to get their agenda across. It doesn't matter that people died - if it helps to advance their cause, it's A-OK.
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    Where is the hue and cry about the fallen bridge "just sitting there". They want to study the reason for the failure, Why? They don't build bridges that way anymore.

    The barges should be there with cranes loading up the pieces, and get their asses in gear and replace it.

    Typical blue state. They are immune from pressure to perform a simple state task: Fix the bridge so people can drive on it.
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    They want to study the reason for the failure, Why? They don't build bridges that way anymore.
    But there are still many bridges servicing communities that were built that way. If the engineering is given so many years of service life and it fell while still in service they would want to know why so they can further investigate other bridges of the same time period. This may avoid future deaths due to aging bridge collapse.

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