November 15th, 2007, 07:57 PM #1
Airport death video shows man's final momentsThe video shows Polish national Robert Dziekanski in the early morning hours at the international arrivals terminal of Vancouver International Airport on Oct. 14.
Dziekanski appears to be agitated and breathing heavily. At one point in the video, he barricades himself behind glass doors of a secure area. He then throws a wooden desk and a computer at the doors.
Four policemen arrive on the scene, and Dzienkanksi appears to calm down.
Police seem to gesture to Dziekanski to back up, and he responds by raising his hands and retreating from the door.
The officers don't attempt to subdue the 40-year-old man as they surround him. But seconds later Dzienkanski screams in pain, staggers, and then falls to the ground after being shot by an electric stun gun, or Taser.
He appears to writhe in pain, while police pin his arms, legs, and head to the ground and handcuff him.
As three officers hold Dziekanski down, there appears to be a second attempt to Taser him. After he's restrained, an officer places his knee on his neck and holds it there.
After several seconds Dziekanski appears to stop writhing as he lies pinned on his stomach and appears to lose consciousness. An officer takes his pulse at his neck. None of the officers appear attempting to revive him.
Here is the full 10 minute video:
What irks me the most about this is how the police jumped right to the taser without trying other non-lethal methods of subduing the man. What is even more haunting is how after he lays on the ground unconscious none of the officers attempt to check his vital signs and start CPR. All public places now have defibrillators, yet none of the officers went to get one. And to add fuel to the fire the airport had its own paramedic team, yet they were never dispatched. The city paramedics were called to scene which took 12 minutes to arrive after the call was placed. These officers should be fired, and held legally responsible for this mans death.
November 15th, 2007, 10:47 PM #2
I doubt airport security guards are as trained as cops to use their baton. The guy would probably take it from them and beat them with it.
Few people are killed by taser, plus it doesn't look quite a dangerous as a club."The world burns while Obama Tweets."
November 16th, 2007, 08:45 AM #3
It's obvious you didn't even watch the video. He was subdued by the police, not the security guards.
November 16th, 2007, 08:56 AM #4
Was it the knee to the neck that killed him? Did he suffocate?
When trying to control a person they get all giddy when they can cut off a guys air supply nearly killing him. Course with 5 against 1 its always crucial to bring a guy to near death.
I think the guy was completely dicked around at the airport too no? I'd start getting pissed too.
November 16th, 2007, 09:10 AM #5
Isn't that at least 2 dead from tasers in airports in a couple of months? Pretty much a form of terrorism if ya ask me.
November 17th, 2007, 08:04 PM #6
And then there's Catherine Wilkerson...
...a Michigan doctor who is facing criminal charges for defending a protester.
During a protest against the war on Iraq and threats of war on Iran, University of Michigan police brutalized and arrested three activists. Police tactics included the use of pressure point control tactics. PPCT is a pain compliance tactic that essentially uses painful pressure and manipulation of the body in order to force the victim to comply.
After brutalizing one protester and threatening him with pepper spray directly in the face, the police then pinned him to the ground in a manner that can result in suffocation. As the man groaned in agony, the officer used his knee and his substantial physical bulk to crush the protester's chest, face down against the floor. Between desperate gasps, the man told officers that he could not breathe, and then fell unconscious.
Dr. Wilkerson identified herself as a physician and demanded access to the man in order to examine him and determine if his life was in danger. After much resistance from the police, Dr. Wilkerson was allowed to examine the man and determined that he was still alive. As this was occurring, an ambulance with paramedics, the fire department and the Ann Arbor police arrived on the scene.
Dr. Wilkerson was forcibly kept aside. One of the medics then held a succession of three ammonia inhalants directly under the patient's nose, culminating with cupping his hands over the man's nose while he forced him to inhale the third capsule of the noxious gas. This caused the man to retch and nearly vomit as the medic taunted him, "You don't like that, do you?"
Dr. Wilkerson was outraged by the punitive and dangerous actions of the police and medics. She told the medics, "What you are doing has no efficacy and is punitive, and you know it."
For speaking out, Dr. Wilkerson too was brutalized by the police.
Police grabbed her from behind, wrenched her arms behind her, then slammed her against a wall and held her there as she begged him to release his painful grip. The officer then detained her against her will for a protracted period of time, forcing her to stand in a hallway despite her continued extreme shoulder pain.
Dr. Wilkerson was not arrested at this time, however, as she did not break any laws and was simply attempting to fulfill her ethical obligations as a physician.
Dr. Wilkerson later registered a complaint of police brutality at City Hall. One week after filing her complaint, she was shocked to find a letter in the mail from the county prosecutor informing her that she was being charged with attempted assaulting/resisting/obstructing a police officer and attempted assaulting/resisting/obstructing a paramedic.
The charges are a blatant example of police retaliation against a respected doctor and community activist for complaining about police misconduct.
Dr. Wilkerson faces jail time and hefty fines if she is convicted. She has refused to take the prosecutor's plea deal because she has done nothing wrong. In fact, her intervention in the police riot prevented possible grave injuries for those attacked by the cops.
Statement from Dr. Wilkerson
From "Scenes from a cop riot" by Dr. Catherine Wilkerson:
When I became a doctor I knew I would encounter a lot of human suffering, but I never envisioned a time when my efforts to alleviate it would get me brutalized by the police, then charged with a crime. I never envisioned a time when I would witness another health "professional" brazenly violate the most fundamental principle of medical ethics: first do no harm. But thirty years after graduation, at a political event on the campus of the University of Michigan, those things happened.
"Education: That which discloses to the wise and disguises from the
foolish their lack of understanding."
November 17th, 2007, 08:42 PM #7
What was going on that led up to that? As I stated in another thread around here, all security has been pretty taze happy this year.
November 18th, 2007, 01:12 PM #8
Cops love their tasers. They get hard-ons thinking about deploying them. Cowboys with their cattle-prods. I'd love to tase a cop and see how he likes it. Wish there was some kind of clothing material that could reverse the current flow back to the gun.
November 18th, 2007, 08:58 PM #9
November 20th, 2007, 09:25 AM #10
November 20th, 2007, 10:16 AM #11
Lotta cop hate in here.
Results 1 - 44 of 44 English pages over the past 24 hours for police officer stabbedResults 1 - 100 of about 13,900 English pages over the past week for police officer stabbed.Results 1 - 100 of about 120,000 English pages over the past month for police officer stabbed."No Sig pending"
November 20th, 2007, 10:16 AM #12
November 20th, 2007, 10:17 AM #13
Since that last post an officer was killed in the line of duty.
HAND"No Sig pending"
November 20th, 2007, 12:37 PM #14Lotta cop hate in here.
I don't think that anyone is professing "cope hate." Did you even watch the video? Those officers performed very poorly to even the lowest standards. This is just another example of police officers who used a tazer in a situation that was not warranted. A taser should be used in place of a firearm....not as an alternative to pepper spray.
November 20th, 2007, 01:38 PM #15
Are you trying to correleate google hits with actual police stabbings or something?
Here, try this then.
Alot of cops get off on controlling people. Its a power thing.
I moonlight doing network support at 5 different police departments in the tri county area.
Believe me, I know.
Alot of cops are assholes. Thats why they are cops.
Last edited by zen; November 20th, 2007 at 01:43 PM.
November 23rd, 2007, 08:09 AM #16
Well things like getting tased for not signing a traffic citation(disobeying a direct order) kinda gets people a little riled up. This one from Salt Lake City is now under dept review since it appears now on youtube.
Last edited by Toadman; November 23rd, 2007 at 09:08 AM.
November 23rd, 2007, 12:46 PM #17
I watched that one Toad, and I'm not really sure what to think. The guy disobeyed the officers order, he turned around, had his hands in his pocket, and started walking back to his car. If I was an officer (by myself) dealing with an angry guy I'm not so sure I wouldn't have done the same thing.
But I think the real problem is that the officer allowed the situation to get to that point. He should have informed the driver that by law he has to sign the ticket, but it isn't an admission of guilt. If he refuses, then he will be arrested. But the cop didn't take the time to explain things and diffuse the situation.
Basically there were two assholes here, and everyone lost in the end.
November 24th, 2007, 12:03 PM #18
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I am a paramedic and I have been around this kind of scenario many times. The police officers I work with are very good. All I can say is that as a medic, going to a call where someone has been tased, it is way easier than dealing with someone who has been shot. Most tased individuals are just an assessment and transported to emerg, then they go to jail if charged with a crime. A person who is shot, is assessed, large bore IV, two if I have time, chest decompression if the have a pneumo, intubation, then many times the patient dies anyway. The taser has saved many lives and huge amounts of dollars in hospitals. The incident that happened at the airport is disgusting, I have as a paramedic been in that situation without police on scene. I have subdued the person with a minimum of physical restraint and that person is alive and well today. I am a fairly large man and I am quite capable of handling most people who are violent and confused, it is my job. When I saw those RCMP officers taze that man, I was just amazed. He could have easily been restrained with a minimum of physical force. The police officers I work with in Thunder Bay have never tazed someone who did not need it, I know that most police officers in Canada and the USA are decent and professional. We take pride in the fact that we can restrain unarmed individuals, place them in custody and have them thank us when they regain their faculties. The tazer is a very good tool and I am glad they are around.
P.S. as a medic I am also enjoy too many rum and cokes, please forgive me if the above is a little sloppy.
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