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February 17th, 2008, 11:23 AM
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February 17th, 2008, 11:46 AM
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I just wrote to Senator Specter and Senator Casey. If this is the kind of shit Obama wants to get done, he's more of a threat to our country than I originally thought...and that's a big goddamn threat. | 
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February 17th, 2008, 12:09 PM
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And what do you two guys suggest to help end global proverty?
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February 17th, 2008, 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Steve R Jones  And what do you two guys suggest to help end global proverty? | Spread capitalism. China and India are getting with the program and are creating great wealth in a relatively short amount of time. Japan did it after WW2 and we all know how wealthy they are. The poor countries either a) don't offer anything or b) are run by tyrants who keep the people poor. Giving money won't do anything.
As the saying goes: give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; teach him how to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.
And not to mention, hidden in this pile of shit bill is UN measures to do away with small arms. How does the United States of the United Nations sound? | |
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February 17th, 2008, 12:31 PM
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What a junk bill. They can't even prevent poverty in this country. What makes them think they can do it on a global scale? Just giving away money to poor countries won't do it. Quote: |
The legislation would commit the U.S. to spending 0.7 percent of gross national product on foreign aid, which amounts to a phenomenal 13-year total of $845 billion over and above what the U.S. already spends.
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February 17th, 2008, 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Steve R Jones And what do you two guys suggest to help end global proverty? | Get out your checkbook and decide for yourself, and we will do the same. Do not force me to pay a bureaucracy that will only squander the majority of the funds on corrupt agendas, most of which tend to include MURDER by numbers most often in pursuit of theft and other greeds. That does not help if you bottleneck the funds through fewer hands rather than many.
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February 17th, 2008, 01:11 PM
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...$845 billion over and above what the U.S. already spends
| Doesn't that figure represent about one month in Iraq? Yet you old ladies can bitch about this expenditure over a 13 year period? Gee, I didn't hear the outcry from you guys when Bush pleged all that money to the children of Africa yesterday. Oh that's right; Bush can do no wrong. 
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February 17th, 2008, 01:16 PM
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Gee, I don't scour the news like you do toad. Please enlighten us. . . Never mind, I read the article in pickel's thread.
I suppose you like this bill?
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February 18th, 2008, 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by The Real Bingo Spread capitalism. China and India are getting with the program and are creating great wealth in a relatively short amount of time. Japan did it after WW2 and we all know how wealthy they are. The poor countries either a) don't offer anything or b) are run by tyrants who keep the people poor. Giving money won't do anything.
As the saying goes: give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; teach him how to fish and you feed him for a lifetime. | The fact of the matter is that national Horatio Alger stories are rare, and stories of people trapped by their nation’s poverty are all too common. What you also conveniently forgot was that Japan's success was largely caused by billions invested by the U.S. to rebuild Japan after the war. So, you are actually making the case for this bill. Invest in Africa and they'll be successful like Japan.Quote:
Originally Posted by TOAD6147 Doesn't that figure represent about one month in Iraq? Yet you old ladies can bitch about this expenditure over a 13 year period? Gee, I didn't hear the outcry from you guys when Bush pleged all that money to the children of Africa yesterday. Oh that's right; Bush can do no wrong. |
The bill calls for spending $845 billion over 13 years. Toad is right, that's far cheaper than Iraq and likely to win us more friends and better results. The figure is also less than what other countries contribute.
The merits of the proposal is to reduce poverty in under-developed countries. If you are worried about terrorism, you should be on the side of reducing poverty.
Senator Chuck Hagel (R-NE) said: "Poverty, hunger, and disease will be among the most serious challenges confronting the world in the 21st century. This legislation provides the President of the United States the framework and resources to help implement a comprehensive policy to reduce global poverty. It is the human condition that has always driven the great events of history. This is a responsibility of all citizens of the world."
Oh, by the way, although the bill may be opposed by the right-wing loonies, like Rush, the bill has the following supporters:
The United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, CARE, Oxfam America, Habitat for Humanity International, United Church of Christ, Christian Church (Disciples of Christ), the Borgen Project, United Methodist General Board of Church and Society, RESULTS, Micah Challenge USA, and the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America.
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February 18th, 2008, 01:01 PM
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The problem isn't our aid budget, it's paying a United Nation's tax and then having them dole out the money where they see fit.
We should reserve the right to give our money where it is in our best interests, rather than give it to the kleptocrats in the UN.
I'm against a "world government" run by the UN. If they USA ran it, maybe. | |
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