Obama, McCain claim victory in Wisconsin

[blubomber]

Because there is too much media!

Since the 2000 fiasco with the whole projected winner by the media, i have only counted on the media for the current count and tried to pay attention to how many polling stations have reported.

Not that i like hillary, i just try not to get too excited when one or the other is ahead until all the votes have been counted. IMO.

[Beemer]

Here ya go AR. While reading this article take special note who first pushed for NAFTA. Was Bill really "doing Republican politics"?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/0...l_n_86674.html

Oh ya. You're still to emotional over Hillary's looks. What do looks have to do with anything?

[Atomic Rooster]

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"The whole time that she was first lady," said Robert Shapiro, the undersecretary of commerce during the Clinton White House years, "she, like everybody else...[was] not supposed to deviate from the position of the administration. There is no freedom of speech in there, and that certainly applies to a first lady.

More recently, at the Las Vegas Democratic Debate on November 15, 2007, she offered the following, more concise declaration: "NAFTA was a mistake to the extent that it did not deliver on what we had hoped it would."

Damn, them libs are good at double speak.


Typical Huffington Post drivel.

[Beemer]

You see it all the time in politics. Tow the party line. You're surprised?

Anyway, it spells out clearly that she didn't like it back then personally. She didn't like it when it got going either and doesn't like it now. There isn't any flip flop like you said.

You have no Filegate, Travelgate, Futures improprieties, NAFTA flip flop or Watergate. What you have is the Republican machine spinning like Whirling Dervishes at election time.

So you are left with being scared of a woman all because of her looks.

[Atomic Rooster]

So you believe that article where it says she couldn't speak out against NAFTA because she had to tow the Clinton administration line?

Put down the pipe and step away slowly. . .

[Atomic Rooster]

You should be a little more diligent with your data mining beemer: Hillary Clinton Pretends She Never Praised NAFTA.

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The Huffington Post has followed along with a laugh-out-loud piece in which the chief architects of NAFTA (many who are now wealthy corporate lawyers and lobbyists) are now saying, no, no, Hillary Clinton was really opposed to it. These are the same people, of course, who are looking for jobs in the Hillary Clinton White House.

What a total joke, really. This campaign clearly thinks we are all just a bunch of fools.

[Beemer]

Drop the pot crap. I'm not smoking any for a while till I get my new truck. Saving money like crazy instead.

Any who,

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The Administration still has a lot to do, but there are reasons to think the task may not be as difficult as both the White House and congressional Republicans have thought. Their mutual worry has been fed by mutual distrust. The President, facing a major defection of old-line Democrats under intense pressure from labor, needs about 110 Republican votes. Republicans, suspicious of the Clinton commitment to a treaty negotiated by George Bush and Carla Hills, say they may not be able to deliver unless Mr. Clinton can produce at least as many Democrats. Mr. Clinton is handicapped by the loss of both House Majority Leader Richard Gephardt and Majority Whip David Bonior, who both oppose the agreement. That makes it harder not only to round up votes, but also to get an accurate count, and not just of Democrats. The White House is accustomed to relying on Bonior, who has contacts among moderate Republicans, for his head counts of Republicans as well as Democrats. On this, the Administration now has to depend on GOP Whip Newt Gingrich, a man they neither like nor trust. Gingrich, of course, feels the same way about the White House.

One might think the Republicans, eager to vindicate their former President, and ideologically disposed toward free trade, would be for NAFTA regardless, but it's rarely so simple in the House. Labor, with help from strange bedfellows ranging from Pat Buchanan to Ross Perot to Ralph Nader, has whipped up stiff opposition to the agreement, playing on the pessimism and insecurity people feel about the economy. The anti-NAFTA mood is most intense in blue-collar Democratic districts, but is not confined to those districts. So completely have labor and its allies dominated the NAFTA debate that there is strong opposition in many Republican-held districts as well. NAFTA is seen now as a tough yes vote for nearly everybody. Senior Clinton aide David Dreyer said the White House is expecting a vote-by-vote struggle down to the last day with the agreement winning by only the narrowest margin. "In the end, it will be like the budget," he says. "We'll be within one vote of losing by eighty." That may sound strange, but it's not uncommon on a major controversy for a President to be holding only as many votes as he needs to win, and only on the condition that he can win. Nobody wants to cast an unpopular vote in a losing cause. "The problem," says Dreyer, "is that nobody wants this. There's just no popular sentiment for it. There's nothing that can match the focused intensity of the opposition."

So there was a lot of trouble for Bill Clinton getting GH's program passed. I would assume during that time everyone had to tow the party line to get it passed.

Apparently Bill really pushed for NAFTA. Hillary says and a few sources confirm it that she was against it. Bill went his way and Hillary went hers on the issue but it was his Presidency. She has to support that.

They went separate ways on another issue later on or do you think she approved of Bill getting a BJ in the Oval Office? Be adult about your answer.

[Beemer]

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Originally Posted by Atomic Rooster

You should be a little more diligent with your data mining beemer: Hillary Clinton Pretends She Never Praised NAFTA.

I am quite diligent thanks. That piece was referenced in the comments of the link I provided. You do know that the word "touted" is a weasel word don't you?

[Atomic Rooster]

So now you're going to debate what the meaning of "is" is?

tout (tout)
v. tout·ed, tout·ing, touts

v.intr.
1. To solicit customers, votes, or patronage, especially in a brazen way.
2. To obtain and deal in information on racehorses.

v.tr.
1. To solicit or importune: street vendors who were touting pedestrians.
2. Chiefly British To obtain or sell information on (a racehorse or stable) for the guidance of bettors.
3. To promote or praise energetically; publicize

[Atomic Rooster]

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Originally Posted by Beemer

Apparently Bill really pushed for NAFTA. Hillary says and a few sources confirm it that she was against it. Bill went his way and Hillary went hers on the issue but it was his Presidency. She has to support that.

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Originally Posted by Beemer

Anyway, it spells out clearly that she didn't like it back then personally. She didn't like it when it got going either and doesn't like it now. There isn't any flip flop like you said.