IS it RAPE if she is decieved into having sex?

[no1_vern]

A woman was tricked into having sex with her boyfriends' brother and she was unable to claim rape because she wasn't FORCED to have sex.

Massachusetts is the latest state to consider putting a new crime on the books: rape by fraud. Currently, a sex act only qualifies as rape if physical force is used. We talk to a woman who was tricked into having sex with her boyfriend's brother — who pretended to be her boyfriend — and unable to convict him of rape because of this limited definition.

Do you think it is rape if force isnt used to have sex?

[Toadman]

Well, Maine made "visual sexual aggression" a crime.

I guess "audial sexual aggression" is the next logical step in the systematic criminalization of any and all male expressions of sexuality.

This appears to already be the US government's interpretation of existing laws:

"Sexual assault can be verbal, visual, or anything that forces a person to join in unwanted sexual contact or attention. Examples of this are voyeurism (when someone watches private sexual acts), exhibitionism (when someone exposes him/herself in public), incest (sexual contact between family members), and sexual harassment. It can happen in different situations, by a stranger in an isolated place, on a date, or in the home by someone you know."

Note that impolite speech is conflated with flashers and even incest when all of these behaviors are lumped together under the term "sexual assault". It's a neat bit of verbal jujitsu that allows feminist lawyers to equate any shade of grey with the blackest sexual crime of all, incest.

hxxp://www.4woman.gov/FAQ/sexualassault.htm

"The only way to win the game is to not play at all." -Wargames
Those in the know agree. Enjoy your cats, ladies.

[OuTpaTienT]

Yes, it is.

[no1_vern]

Well, Maine made "visual sexual aggression" a crime.

Really? *WARNING: graphic visual comment ahead:

If Im wearing just my speedos on a beach, its illegal??

How do they justify that??

I guess "audial sexual aggression" is the next logical step in the systematic criminalization of any and all male expressions of sexuality.

Could a wolfs whistle can be considered a crime?

This appears to already be the US government's interpretation of existing laws:

"Sexual assault can be verbal, visual, or anything that forces a person to join in unwanted sexual contact or attention. Examples of this are voyeurism (when someone watches private sexual acts), exhibitionism (when someone exposes him/herself in public), incest (sexual contact between family members), and sexual harassment. It can happen in different situations, by a stranger in an isolated place, on a date, or in the home by someone you know."

Note that impolite speech is conflated with flashers and even incest when all of these behaviors are lumped together under the term "sexual assault". It's a neat bit of verbal jujitsu that allows feminist lawyers to equate any shade of grey with the blackest sexual crime of all, incest.

hxxp://www.4woman.gov/FAQ/sexualassault.htm

"The only way to win the game is to not play at all." -Wargames
Those in the know agree. Enjoy your cats, ladies.

I CANT believe that women actually agree with most of those guidelines(if ANY of them.) Where's the intelligence??

Yes, it is.

Um, How so? Its obvious she agreed to the act since she did NOT fight him. He did not physically force himself on her, she willingly climbed into bed with him.

[DeathWish187]

It's not rape, it's surprise sex.

[Gomer]

Um, How so? Its obvious she agreed to the act since she did NOT fight him. He did not physically force himself on her, she willingly climbed into bed with him.

I guess if the bank willingly cashes the check I forged I've not committed a crime either. I mean it's not like I walked in there with a gun and demanded the money.

[howste]

Really? *WARNING: graphic visual comment ahead:

If Im wearing just my speedos on a beach, its illegal??

NOOOOOOOO! I've been textually sexually assaulted...

[The Real Bingo]

Caveat emptor. Buyer beware. She's a big girl; there's no deception. She knows what she's getting into.

If I dress up as Elvis and she wants to have sex with the King, and she realizes I'm not really Elvis, did I rape her? You're fucked up if you say "yes".

"Rape by fraud" my ass. Another bogus law. But hey, maybe it'll slow down population growth..........naaahhhhh...

[Chuckiechan]

It what she really wanted to do... she needed the proper stimulus...you are getting sleepy...

Actually it is fraud and should be dealt with as such.

I wonder if my wife would buy a line like that!

[surreal]

If Im wearing just my speedos on a beach, its illegal??

Why are you making fun of this? So if a man pulls his pants down in front of your daughter it is just fine with you?

[jokostel]

surreal, as usual, you are reading WAY too far into the statement.

[butch81385]

Is it wrong what he did? Absolutely. Do I want a law on fraudulent sex? Not at all.
Bob: Aw, Crap. The cops are here.
Joe: What did you do?
Bob: You know that girl that I slept with last night?
Joe: Yeah?
Bob: Well, apparently this morning she realized that I wasn't as good looking as she thought I was last night... She is charging me with fraudulent sex!

I know this isn't what the law is meant for, but I can guarantee that it will come down to a couple cases like this.

[MTAtech]

Whether it's a crime is based upon the legal definition.

I'm surprised that there isn't another crime on the books to cover this.

[Toadman]

Women cry morning-after rape to justify slutty behavior when intoxicated. And they can get away with it with the 600-lb legal gorilla backing her up. Look at The Duke case, Tailhook, etc.

[EXreaction]

No, it isn't rape, it is impersonation fraud.

The girl saying she wouldn't have had sex with that guy if she would have know who it was can just add to the prison time on top of the fraud.

[TrendyMartini]

Women cry morning-after rape to justify slutty behavior when intoxicated. And they can get away with it with the 600-lb legal gorilla backing her up. Look at The Duke case, Tailhook, etc.

That is not what is being discussed here, but thanks once again for your macho take on things, Toad.

If the sex isn't consensual, it's rape. She didn't agree to sleeping with the brother. I don't necessarily feel he should have the same sentence as a violent rapist, but it should show on his record that he had sex with a woman against her will.

[The Real Bingo]

That is not what is being discussed here, but thanks once again for your macho take on things, Toad.

If the sex isn't consensual, it's rape. She didn't agree to sleeping with the brother. I don't necessarily feel he should have the same sentence as a violent rapist, but it should show on his record that he had sex with a woman against her will.

How is it against her will?

If you sell me a car that I think is a Ferrari but it's really a fake - and my whole purchase depends on it being an authentic Ferrari - who's fault is that?

If you trick me by giving me knowingly false information, then you're at fault. But if I believe it's really a Ferrari and do not ask for clarification - and if I buy it believing that it's a real Ferrari - then it's my fault.

The situation here seems ambiguous. Are the brothers twins? Did she ask the brother if he was really her boyfriend, or did she just assume (like I assumed it was a real Ferrari) it was her boyfriend?

[TrendyMartini]

Somehow I have difficulty equating a sexual crime with the misrepresentation of a vehicle.

The bottom line is that if she KNEW it was the brother, she would not have had sex with him. He defrauded her and thus it was against her will. I think it's a pretty simple idea, Bingo.. you're bright, you should get it. How would you feel if it were you being taken advantage of? Her rights to choose who she has sex with was violated.

[Divil]

In some countries, like the Netherlands, the deception or misleading another into carrying out sexual activiteis and or having intecourse is considered a form of rape and is therefor punishable by law.

[The Real Bingo]

Like I said, it depends how it transpired.

Could she have done it for revenge and now she regrets it? A law like this opens up a whole can of worms that'll have a negative effect on society. Women have enough power to cry "rape" as it is; a simple accusation and the guy is labeled for life.