If she can't win...why is she still trying?

[outlaw2001it]

I understand what they are...do you honestly think the super delegates are going to back Clinton at this point if Obama is the peoples favorite? Everybody that I've seen, heard on the news says that will be drastic, and I would have to agree with them.

[Pexster]

As Eugene Robinson pointed out yesterday, electability is one thing, but at some point the Democratic Party has to stand for something. And they don't want it to be for overturning the will of the voters.

[osprey4]

Hillary's only objective now is to survive a first ballot at the convention. Then it becomes anybody's game. And no one plays the game like Bill and Hillary.

Those are the rules, folks. You could, as they say, look it up.

[MTAtech]

Originally Posted by Pexster

So it's just a matter of time. Two days or two weeks; doesn't matter much.

The wisest statement in this thread (too bad I didn't come up with it.)

[jokostel]

yup...

[Chuckiechan]

The Rezko trial is wrapping up. I think The Clinton's are waiting for that. If he's found guilty, and they hand a buttload of years on him, he may start talking.

And he may start talking about O'bama.

Another reason is she is positioning herself to run against Mc Cain in 2012. I think the party leaders think O'bama can win because they are locked into the party line.

Either way, it's her right to stay in and wrangel concessions. If she's VP, Bill will have him off'ed. It's a win-win for her.

[MTAtech]

Originally Posted by Chuckiechan

The Rezko trial is wrapping up. I think The Clinton's are waiting for that. If he's found guilty, and they hand a buttload of years on him, he may start talking.

And he may start talking about O'bama.

Another reason is she is positioning herself to run against Mc Cain in 2012. I think the party leaders think O'bama can win because they are locked into the party line.

Either way, it's her right to stay in and wrangel concessions. If she's VP, Bill will have him off'ed. It's a win-win for her.

Wasn't it you who just about 6 months ago was posting as if Clinton was the inevitable candidate?

The "part line" has always been for Clinton. Look at her support from the Democratic Leadership Council (DLC) for confirmation of that. Obama's support is grass-roots not from cigar-smoking backroom types.

The concensus is that any Democrat will beat McCain in 2008 and the polls confirm that (whether true is a different story.) However, I don't think that Hillary is banking that McCain will win. She seems serious about winning this year, for good reason. Clinton is now 61, in 2012 she'll be 65. If Obama wins, she'll be 69 before getting another chance. If he loses, she has to face an incumbant president in 2012.

For Hillary, it's now or never.

[thephilosophizer]

Clinton has fought a hard fight, and I think more than anything right now she is working out how she can leave without loosing. She wants her political career. I think her running so hard has been good for the party and the country, she and him have generated record primary turnouts, and voter registration is higher than it has been in years.
Now, it may be time for her to bow out, the superdelegates are switching to obama at a high rate, and when the time comes (as early as next week) when he has more pledged and super delegates than she does, I think she will go. She doesn't have the money in her campaign to keep on. And plus, obama has proven to be the best campaign fundraiser ever (bill was good at this, but obama has the internet donations going), and his highly grassroots campaign has generated a lot of mobilization.
I think things are good now for the democrats, and so long as clinton finds a reasonable time to bow out, all should go well.

[Chuckiechan]

Before you dis Mc Cain, Lets not forget that the campaign has not started yet. The Dem's have not picked a leader yet.

Basically, blue collar and white America is Hillary's demographic, even if they hate her, not O'bama's. This is his archille's heel. They are scared to death of Rev. Wright and all of the rest of the racism attached to O'bama.

But I shouldn't care. I live in California where my vote does not count. Yet. Maybe we'll be able to split our electoral votes someday. That's about all the political influence a white middle class private sector earner can hope for in California.

And no, I can't move until I retire.

[MTAtech]

First, there isn't any "racism attached to Obama." Rev. Wright doesn't speak for Obama and Obama doesn't share Wright's distorted fews. There has been a sizable swiftboat campaign trying to link the two but that linkage does not represent reality or fairness.

Whether blue-collar America will support Obama is not clear. Yes, that demographic supported Clinton but the question is who they will support should Clinton exit the race. My opinion is that party affiliation is a strong influence. If those blue-collar people are Democrats, they will support the Democratic nominee. If they are Republicans, they probably weren't going to support Obama anyway. Accroding to Rasmussen, Barack Obama attracting 46% of the vote while John McCain attracts 44%. Many factors effect the final vote including voter turnout.

What is clear, if Obama is the candidate, voters will have a clear choice of differing policy views.


Second, the race has started: Obama turns attention to beating McCain