If she can't win...why is she still trying?

[sharder8]

Originally Posted by MTAtech

Al Gore won in 2000. He got more popular votes and he got more votes in Florida but suffered from having the other side's thumb on the scale.

Still in denial 8 years later, huh MTA???

Harder

[jokostel]

Originally Posted by Pexster

Well, I guess the answer is in about whether Hillary was going to tone it down. She just came out and said Obama can't win White America. I predict that this is going to bring down MANY Dem elders on her ASAP. She just cooked her own goose.

Bingo, what EXACTLY do you fear so much about Obama???

Obama is a uppidty black guy who only looks out for the big cities, and end up screwing over the small towns.. which pretty much consists of the bible thumping gun toters. which he seems to hate.
The guy is also a gun control nut, and wants to raise taxes thru the roof.

Give me ONE good reason ( other than the Bush/Clinton reason) that he should even be near the WHITE house. Please, just ONE.

[The Real Bingo]

Originally Posted by Pexster

Bingo, what EXACTLY do you fear so much about Obama???

I don't know what "change" means.

Things that don't need changing shouldn't be changed. I'm afraid he'll change those things.

He wants to specifically tax extra a business (oil) that our economy and society depend on. Does he want to intentionally cripple us? Benedict Arnold?

He appears to be a middle-of-the-road type. I'm not sure if he really is. Is he going to compromise? Is he going to be indecisive - is he going to wait for the polling data to come in before he makes a decision?

We know Hillary wants health care for everyone, no matter what. What does he think?

[jokostel]

All he seems to say is "change"... a "change for america"
What does a word/statement that vague mean?
Change to communism? authoritarian? Free everything?
A person can interpret it till your blue in the face. It doesn't hold a bit of weight.

From what he says I can gather that he has NO good clean clear concise ideas of his own, and the ideas he has for "change" only benefit those of HIS similar mindset, and screws over the little guy.

[cunokyle]

I would vote for Hillary, but will vote for McCain if Obama is the Democrat running. I am a life long Republican, but McCain scares me more than Hillary and Obama scares me more than either of those two.

[jokostel]

got that right.

[Pexster]

This is scary???

Restore Fiscal Discipline to Washington

Reinstate PAYGO Rules: Obama believes that a critical step in restoring fiscal discipline is enforcing payas-
you-go (PAYGO) budgeting rules which require new spending commitments or tax changes to be paid for
by cuts to other programs or new revenue.

Reverse Bush Tax Cuts for the Wealthy: Obama will protect tax cuts for poor and middle class families,
but he will reverse most of the Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest taxpayers.

Cut Pork Barrel Spending: Obama introduced and passed bipartisan legislation that would require
more disclosure and transparency for special-interest earmarks. Obama believes that spending that cannot
withstand public scrutiny cannot be justified. Obama will slash earmarks to no greater than what they were
in 2001 and ensure all spending decisions are open to the public.

Make Government Spending More Accountable and Efficient: Obama will ensure that federal contracts
over $25,000 are competitively bid. Obama will also increase the efficiency of government programs
through better use of technology, stronger management that demands accountability and by leveraging the
government’s high-volume purchasing power to get lower prices.

End Wasteful Government Spending: Obama will stop funding wasteful, obsolete federal government
programs that make no financial sense. Obama has called for an end to subsidies for oil and gas companies
that are enjoying record profits, as well as the elimination of subsidies to the private student loan industry
which has repeatedly used unethical business practices. Obama will also tackle wasteful spending in the
Medicare program.

Make the Tax System More Fair and Efficient

End Tax Haven Abuse: Building on his bipartisan work in the Senate, Obama will give the Treasury Department
the tools it needs to stop the abuse of tax shelters and offshore tax havens and help close the $350
billion tax gap between taxes owed and taxes paid.

Close Special Interest Corporate Loopholes: Obama will level the playing field for all businesses by
eliminating special-interest loopholes and deductions, such as those for the oil and gas industry.

Now I know already that some of you will say "Yeah, that's just talk." But how about holding McCain's feet to the fire? He can't even add! His savings and waste numbers that he claims he'll find are ludicrous, and every expert has said so.

Seems to me there is just a visceral dislike here; not over policy proposals. if McCain or Bush said the same thing, you'd be cheering, lol.

[The Real Bingo]

This is the kind of shit I'm scared of.

[jokostel]

Originally Posted by The Real Bingo

This is the kind of shit I'm scared of.

That's one damn good reason not to vote for em.

[MTAtech]

It's very simple, if you think Bush set the country on the right direction, vote for McCain. If you want to undo the Bush years, vote for the Democrats.