May 15th, 2008, 09:55 PM
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| McCain Comments on Former Iranian Hostages
Is it possible John McCain has somehow forgotten about the Iran-Contra Affair? Quote:
"Yes, there have been appeasers in the past, and the president is exactly right, and one of them is Neville Chamberlain," Mr. McCain told reporters on his campaign bus after a speech in Columbus, Ohio. "I believe that it’s not an accident that our hostages came home from Iran when President Reagan was president of the United States. He didn't sit down in a negotiation with the religious extremists in Iran, he made it very clear that those hostages were coming home."
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May 15th, 2008, 10:17 PM
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McCain and Bush are just trying to call Obama an appeaser for wanting to open dialog with all countries, even ones that don't agree with us. One can see how low we have fallen when that's considered a radical idea.
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"It is sad that President Bush would use a speech to the Knesset on the 60th anniversary of Israel's independence to launch a false political attack," Obama said in the statement his aides distributed. "George Bush knows that I have never supported engagement with terrorists, and the president's extraordinary politicization of foreign policy and the politics of fear do nothing to secure the American people or our stalwart ally Israel."
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May 17th, 2008, 04:43 PM
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Not to mention Bush and McCain fail history. Chamberlain an appeaser? Who was it that declared war on the Nazi’s?
How about WWI. 20 years later another war is looming but did Chamberlain figure Britain could afford another war so soon? Did the people of Britain or Germany want another war so soon?
Appeaser? Not quite. How about rational thinking leader.
Does Bush have any competent historians working for him? McCain seems to be sharing in the same pool of historical ignorance.
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May 17th, 2008, 06:05 PM
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"George Bush knows that I have never supported engagement with terrorists, and the president's extraordinary politicization of foreign policy and the politics of fear do nothing to secure the American people or our stalwart ally Israel."
| Obama has said he is willing to sit down with our enemies with no preconditions. Iran, Syria, North Korea, are all considered "terrorist regimes".
Obama is trying to turn diplomacy on it's head, just like Carter. The results will be the same.
I really don't care. If we must get nuked, let it happen in San Francisco! That would be a win-win.
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May 17th, 2008, 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Beemer  Not to mention Bush and McCain fail history. Chamberlain an appeaser? Who was it that declared war on the Nazi’s?
How about WWI. 20 years later another war is looming but did Chamberlain figure Britain could afford another war so soon? Did the people of Britain or Germany want another war so soon?
Appeaser? Not quite. How about rational thinking leader.
Does Bush have any competent historians working for him? McCain seems to be sharing in the same pool of historical ignorance. | Chamberlain ignored the massive armed build up of Germany while doing nothing to increase his forces in case they were needed. Don't argue with this point unless you are willing to call Churchill wrong. We know what real history has to say about that. BTW you have given my husband more proof on something he said to me.
"There is always at least one Canadian on all these boards who think Americans are too stupid and need their opinion."
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May 17th, 2008, 06:08 PM
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And Hitler didn't look the free world in the eye and say "We are going to eliminate you." | |
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May 17th, 2008, 06:08 PM
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BTW you have given my husband more proof on something he said to me.
"There is always at least one Canadian on all these boards who think Americans are too stupid and need their opinion."
| Who, pray tell, is hubby? BTW, that stance would also then apply to people in Virginia commenting on California matters. The nice thing about this forum is that we get input from around the world (though not as much as we used to).
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May 17th, 2008, 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Pexster Who, pray tell, is hubby? BTW, that stance would also then apply to people in Virginia commenting on California matters. The nice thing about this forum is that we get input from around the world (though not as much as we used to). | Do you know the chief complaint people have about Americans world wide? "Americans are aways trying to tell us how to run our lives" You have already shown me you think we should stay out of foreign matters. Its about manners. | |
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May 17th, 2008, 06:35 PM
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You have already shown me you think we should stay out of foreign matters.
| Another false conclusion, as I think no such thing. | |
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May 17th, 2008, 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Pexster Another false conclusion, as I think no such thing. | Really, have some posts that indicate you feel we should be involved in another countries affairs. Perhaps posts showing you criticizing another Democracy and how they should vote. Maybe posts where you have rediculed the leader of a US ally.
Maybe you have demonstrated better manners than that, or am I wrong about that conclusion also?
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