May 16th, 2008, 04:54 PM
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Some seem to believe that we should negotiate with the terrorists and radicals, as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been wrong all along. We have heard this foolish delusion before. As Nazi tanks crossed into Poland in 1939, an American senator declared: "Lord, if I could only have talked to Hitler, all this might have been avoided." We have an obligation to call this what it is -- the false comfort of appeasement, which has been repeatedly discredited by history. (Applause.)
Some people suggest if the United States would just break ties with Israel, all our problems in the Middle East would go away. This is a tired argument that buys into the propaganda of the enemies of peace, and America utterly rejects it. Israel's population may be just over 7 million. But when you confront terror and evil, you are 307 million strong, because the United States of America stands with you.
| Who are "some" in this context? Considering the political calendar in this country, it's not hard to infer the obvious.
The President also confuses discussions or negotiations with appeasement. Not too surprising, but I suggest he would be better off keeping silent at this point, as he is an embarrassment.
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May 16th, 2008, 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Pexster  Who are "some" in this context? Considering the political calendar in this country, it's not hard to infer the obvious.
The President also confuses discussions or negotiations with appeasement. Not too surprising, but I suggest he would be better off keeping silent at this point, as he is an embarrassment. | Bullshit, HE WAS SPEAKING TO THE ISREALIS. CONSIDER THEIR POLITICS INSTEAD OF OURS.
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May 16th, 2008, 07:55 PM
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If (and it is a huge 'if') I accept that assertion, you think going to Israel -- a foreign country and one of our staunchest allies -- and telling a significant faction of their own political spectrum that they are no better than Nazi appeasers was a smart thing to do? IMHO, that is even worse than what I think he was saying. For if he did that, it is truly inexcusable.
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May 16th, 2008, 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Sarah L . . . . . . .
Outright distortions, and this guy says he will bring change to Washington. 
He is no different than any other politician.
. . . . . . . | What planet are you living on that makes you think different? Better add McCain and Clinton to that statement as well. Uh, better make that both Clintons and ALL the politicians. The higher in the game they go, the bigger the lies they tell. Such is the life of being a politician. 
(Before you get your panties in a bunch - yes I know sarcasm when I see it)
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May 16th, 2008, 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Sarah L After seeing the outright lies from Obama in his speech today I am sure he will make a terrible president.
Outright distortions, and this guy says he will bring change to Washington.
He is no different than any other politician. Quote:
Originally Posted by Pexster What did he say that is an outright lie? | | I don't think he ever got an answer.
On this appeasement nonsense, how low has our diplomacy fallen that suggesting that we speak to hostile countries is radical and controversial? The U.S. negotiated with the Soviets. In the Iran-Contra affair, Reagan's Administration members sold weapons to Iran in exchange for the release of the American diplomatic hostages illegally held by Iran. Isn't that appeasement?
This Administration negotiated with N. Korea and Rumsfeld negotiated with Saddam.
While Iran-Contra was illegal, governments typically negotiate with other countries that the disagree with.
It's also nonsense to think that Bush wasn't talking about Obama when he said "some." If he was talking about anyone else he wouldn't have been vague. He would have said specifically who he meant. He used the word "some" precisely to be able to deny it later.
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May 16th, 2008, 09:11 PM
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Perhaps radicals are fighting for something?
Considering America was founded on EXTREMELY radical principles, which we fought and won for. | |
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May 16th, 2008, 10:00 PM
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but Bush's people told several journalists yesterday (off-the-record) that he was referring to Obama.
| Got proof? The Democrat blogosphere hasn't found it.
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May 16th, 2008, 10:06 PM
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"Off the record" or "on background" Chuck. I have heard no less than a half dozen veteran, respected (as much as that is possible, nowadays) journalists say this since yesterday. I just heard today that many were "previewed" about the remarks and actually were told that Obama would be mentioned by name. They were told to reserve time in their shows because this was going to be a blockbuster. Today, the White House guys are on about their 3rd iteration of what he "really" meant.
Maybe you can't connect the dots, but most can. In any case, there really isn't a "good" answer for it. It was extremely bad form any way you look at it. | |
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May 16th, 2008, 10:13 PM
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Maybe you can't connect the dots,
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May 16th, 2008, 11:24 PM
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I'm not your research librarian Chuck. I've been busy watching the news and the bloviator shows (my hobby, you know?).  | |
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