Same Sex Marriage: California's Gift to Mc Cain - Page 2 - Tech Support Forums

Chuckiechan · May 17th, 2008, 02:21 PM

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In fact, the notorious "pizza thief" was a recipient of this discretion. Williams, who was originally sentenced to an indeterminate life sentence, later had his sentence reduced to six years. Citing his nonviolent criminal history, lack of weapon use, and relatively minor third strike offense, the sentencing judge agreed to strike a prior conviction in order to promote the interest of justice.

Surreal - just for you. A little hard to read, but the point is, you don't go away for life for stealing a slice of pizza.
So let's hope the Pizza Thief learned his lesson and isn't out doing other crime.

And Pex, give Beemer back his bong.

Beemer · May 17th, 2008, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by pickel

Since most people are opposed to gay getting the right to marry ( And I'm one of them, I believe that marriage is a Sacrament of God ), however, those who are gay and live together should have the same rights and obligations associated with marriage. I respect their feelings and feel that their lives should be as full as those who are married. It's ashame that the courts are over-riding the will of the majority. If this isn't overturned what will they change in the future????? Our rights continue to go down the drain and if we donot send a message in November , if it has any meaning at all, we have no one to blame but ourselves.

Your god is a new comer to the party pickel.

This page pretty well covers the history of marriage and dispels the myth, "that marriage is a Sacrament of God".
The history of marriage

If the will of the majority (people) is found unconstitutional, the majority have no more rights to pass laws that are unconstitutional than the legislature. All the previous bills concerning gay marriage presented to the Governor had technical errors and Swartz wanted the courts to make the interpretation and decision on gay marriage. This was the correct approach.

Beemer · May 17th, 2008, 02:36 PM

Pex is an adult. He can use my bong as long as he wants and I'll be the one that asks for it back if I need to.

Beemer · May 17th, 2008, 02:45 PM

And, how about the Marriage and Family Protection Act introduced to the Minnesota legislature on Friday?

Can you say snowball?

The name of the bill should get Perkins and the rest of the Religious Rights panties in a bunch. "We stole the word "family" years ago and that isn't how we want the word to be used!"

Cmptr-Gy-Dv · May 17th, 2008, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Pexster

It is not a shame that courts sometimes override the wishes of the majority; it is a good thing that our system has checks and balances to keep the majority from running amok and trampling on the rest of society. Because given the chance, they will attempt to do exactly that as often as not.

7 judges overriding the will of 30 million people is not a check and balance

it's called a dictatorship,

I wonder what you would think if them same judges decided bush could stay president for 30 more years,

giving the gay community civil unions is the way to go, it gives them the same rights as marriage and it does not step on anybodys feet,

you change marriage and you open a whole bunch of problems,

here is some great thought on it,

Townhall.com Audio Player

Sarah L · May 17th, 2008, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Cmptr-Gy-Dv

7 judges overriding the will of 30 million people is not a check and balance

it's called a dictatorship,

I wonder what you would think if them same judges decided bush could stay president for 30 more years,

giving the gay community civil unions is the way to go, it gives them the same rights as marriage and it does not step on anybodys feet,

you change marriage and you open a whole bunch of problems,

here is some great thought on it,

Townhall.com Audio Player

CORRECTION, the vote was 4 to 3 on the court. Same sex marriage was going to be law in California anyway. As soon as the terminator left office probably. But by the proper way the State Legislature. What the court did was make new law, a violation of the states constitution. But we have those who think Gay marriage is in the same bracket as the civil rights movement. That lifestyle equates to race. I could care less about whether gays get married or not. Just do not tell me this was the courts ballywick. Wonder what other new laws and rights the state courts will issue in the future.

Chuckiechan · May 17th, 2008, 06:43 PM

There is a measure expected to qualify for the November ballot, amending the state constitution banning gay marriage.

This will really pull out the Conservative vote, maybe even make California a player.

Hispanics aren't too high on the party of fudge packers...

Beemer · May 18th, 2008, 03:14 PM

Chuck
I once used the term FP here at Techimo. After reading over my comment I wondered where that came from. It took me a week or so to find I was being unreasonable due to the fact, I couldn't come up with a reasonable argument for such a bigoted outburst. I realised that sexual orientation is not decided but handed to you at birth. I was handed the heterosexual orientation. Others have the homosexual orientation. I then realised that no one of sound mind would choose to be homosexual because of all the strife it would cause in their life with the present attitude of some 39% of the population.

As for the Hispanics, their impression of homosexuality was handed to them through religious authority which is mutable. Religion is a choice of life style unlike being gay. For example, Ted Haggard must have known that his homosexual tendencies were against his Christian beliefs, would effect his family and position but yet he couldn't resist the urge. If being homosexual was merely a life style choice he would have been able to abstain from sex with a man.

I've asked you this before Chuck. When did you decide to become a heterosexual?
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I found this comment on an article at town hall, that conservative repository of bigotry.

scooternyc

So, let me be clear so I understand this

You can be a pedophile - and get married...

You can get caught in a sex scandal - and get married...

You can have a wide stance - and get married...

You can get divorced - and get married...

You can have an abortion - and get married...

You can perform abortions - and get married...

You can be Hitler, kill millions - and get married...

You can kill in the name of allah - and get married...

You can be a serial killer - and get married...

You can be racist - and get married...

You can be a thief - and get married...

You can be a rapist - and get married...

You can be on death row, have conjugal visits - and get married...

You can betray your Jesus - and get married

You can nail your Jesus to a cross - and get married...

You can torture people - and get married...

But the gays can't.

I think I get it now.

Religious logic is a tough one, takes years of brainwashing to really understand it...well...and a lot of ignoring human liberty.

MTAtech · May 18th, 2008, 09:21 PM

I haven't read yet why "Same Sex Marriage: California's Gift to Mc Cain." Unless one is going to change the U.S. Constitution, it's not going to change California's stance.

In 2004 the Reps tried to make it a federal issue just to forget all about it after the election.

Chuckiechan · May 18th, 2008, 09:31 PM

The Dem's own California, lock, stock, and barrel. And yes, the state is broke but who cares?

The gay marriage amendment that will be on the November ballot will cause more people to come to the polls to vote. It's fair to say that people against gay marriage are more likely to be conservatives than liberals.

So many stay at home voters will vote just to vote on the anti gay marriage amendment. If the amendment passes, it reverses the judge's decisions.