The subject has been missing for too long, time to start up the discussion again considering Obama's energy plan since he's going to be the democrat candidate and seems to want to hand over control of our economy to the environmental movement and the UN.
Apparently all the claims of scientific consensus on the subject of "Global warming ...Climate change" aren't as firm as the MSM would like us to believe: 31,000 scientists reject 'global warming' agenda
A question on the "imminent climate catastrophe" Gore keeps talking about... what's the time frame for "imminent" and just what type of catastrophe are we talking about, is it going to suddenly warm up or suddenly cool down... are humans going to create a new Ice Age or a Permian Extinction... hard to predict I know, since the scientists can't tell us why climate changes happened in the past, why they started or why they ended, but humans using fossil fuels have the power to create instigate climate events that natural processes take thousands of years or longer to create?
The environmental movement has been pushing this theory for the past 20 years and billions of tons of CO2 have been added to the atmosphere in the meantime, but there has been no substantial increase in the world's temperature over that period, these same scientists are now predicting a cooling period for the future, I guess that's why the change from Global Warming to Climate Change, that way they can conveniently vague about whatever their predictions of the future mean.
Has there ever been a period in the Earth's history when rising C02 levels alone were responsible for climate change and if so, when did it happen and if humans weren't around using oil how could it possibly have happened?
Obama is probably going to win the election, so lets see some evaluation and critique of his energy plan since if he implements it it will mean the most profound economic and social change America has ever seen... I don't see how a capitalist, market economy can survive with the creation of the numerous government agencies and bureaucracies his energy plan would demand.
If he gives the EPA the power to regulate CO2 as a pollutant, does that mean that since humans are a major source of CO2 they're going to regulate us as well as polluters (tongue in cheek for those who have no sense of humor)?
If I can't afford it, will he buy me an electric car or put solar panels on my home?
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10,000 PhDs. Great! In what fields? The first random one I picked off the list was a bioorganic chemist whose thesis was "Chemoenzymatic Synthesis of Biologically Significant Carbohydrates" and who spent his time working on:
Synthesis of skeletally diverse small molecule library using Lanterns® and MacroBeads®
Employed Diversity Oriented Synthesis (DOS) for the construction of a 4CCR/IMDA library with a diverse skeletal array
Developed a chiral Zr(IV) Lewis acid for a catalytic asymmetric Ugi reaction
Developed a chiral Cu(II) Lewis acid for a catalytic asymmetric Passerini reaction
How much time do you think he spend studying climate change?
10,000 PhDs. Great! In what fields? The first random one I picked off the list was a bioorganic chemist whose thesis was "Chemoenzymatic Synthesis of Biologically Significant Carbohydrates" and who spent his time working on:
Synthesis of skeletally diverse small molecule library using Lanterns® and MacroBeads®
Employed Diversity Oriented Synthesis (DOS) for the construction of a 4CCR/IMDA library with a diverse skeletal array
Developed a chiral Zr(IV) Lewis acid for a catalytic asymmetric Ugi reaction
Developed a chiral Cu(II) Lewis acid for a catalytic asymmetric Passerini reaction
How much time do you think he spend studying climate change?
The Sun dominates and dictates the weather on this planet. Science Fact
There have been many times this planet has gone from Ice age to tropical world because of the cycles of the Sun. Science Fact
Found in Glacier Ice is proof that this planet has had far greater CO2 levels than we see now. Science Fact
Mars and Jupiter are showing signs of Global Warming. Science Fact
Here is another little fact for you, there are many climatologists that disagree with your picture as to why we are seeing warming now. Especially considering this planet has been completely tropical including Antarctica in the past.
And sneering at PhD's that have a hell of allot better understanding of Scientific method and any science than you ever will have, shows how small and petty you think.
Global Warming by man will be shown to be the greatest science fraud of the last 1000 years.
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The Sun dominates and dictates the weather on this planet. Science Fact
There have been many times this planet has gone from Ice age to tropical world because of the cycles of the Sun. Science Fact
Found in Glacier Ice is proof that this planet has had far greater CO2 levels than we see now. Science Fact
Mars and Jupiter are showing signs of Global Warming. Science Fact
Here is another little fact for you, there are many climatologists that disagree with your picture as to why we are seeing warming now. Especially considering this planet has been completely tropical including Antarctica in the past.
And sneering at PhD's that have a hell of allot better understanding of Scientific method and any science than you ever will have, shows how small and petty you think.
Global Warming by man will be shown to be the greatest science fraud of the last 1000 years.
I'm familiar with your scientific "facts" Sarah. I saw them in the recycling thread (briefly anyway, you sure forgot about it in a hurry).
Funny how no one is allowed to question you on military matters because SARAH L IS IN THE MILITARY *snaps salute* but now you're an expert scientist too? I did not realize you were a scientist in addition to an S4. What a career!
What scientific degree do you hold? (and did you sign that petition yet? You sound qualified to). What scientific journals are they mailing to you there on the base? Do you puff out your chest when you post about science too? From what well of knowledge are you drawing your scientific "facts"?
As for sneering at PhDs... Sneering? C'mon. I was illustrating a point. That being that someone with a PhD in science has dedicated their life to studying an extremely narrow slice of science in great detail especially if they are working at a university and continuing their research. Granted, their opinion on scientific matters have a better chance of being valid than those of some bumpkin with a GED in the trench. But that they are scientists does not make all of their opinions scientific opinions. Do you get it? I have very close relationships with research scientists, some of whom are prominent in their field.
I have a fine understanding of the scientific method and science. Don't you worry.
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. . . .. Granted, their opinion on scientific matters have a better chance of being valid than those of some bumpkin with a GED in the trench. . .
Very true and the sad part is, it doesn't make them anymore correct. The problem is that when all evidence is in, each person that reads that evidence INTERPRETS it according to their OPINION! This is not to suggest that the opinion is wrong, just suggesting that personal education and training, et al, may cause another a different interpretation.
My personal belief is that the earth is going through another one of it's cycles and man may well have an impact on the speed of that cycle. I further believe there is nothing we can do to prevent it, but perhaps lower our impact on it.
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And my suggestion to the naysayers is to admire this as one of the most brilliant marketing ploys or ad campaigns in history -- one that will create a brand new global market for U.S. technology. An opportunity to diversify from what is largely becoming a service economy. C'mon, you guys like business, right? This is the biggest business opportunity in your lifetimes, and could well be the driving economic force for the next 50 years! You think the Chinese are going to put up with the stench they have today? Look what they are having to do just to host the Olympics. They're practically shutting down their industries just so people can breath.
Global Warming or not, there will come a time were we need to find a new energy source seeing as the fossil fuels are a finite resource. And yes, the search for new energy sources will turn up a whole new industry, and if the USA leads it, that will help to get some more manufacturing and research jobs here.
That essentially sums up my view on global warming, its all about risk management. And the clean air to breath is a plus.
Trying to lower our environmental impact is all well and good, but this guy shouldn't try to use Pascal's wager to influence people (I don't know if this is the exact video or not, but its under his profile on youtube). This is the same kind of person who would scoff at the idea of using the same wager regarding the existence of God.
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