Dynamic entry victim found innocent of officer's shooting death.  | |
June 15th, 2008, 06:40 AM
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| Dynamic entry victim found innocent of officer's shooting death. In Canada of all places, a police officer was shot to death after his team entered the home of a person believed to be a drug runner. Quote: |
The Laval police morality-drug squad suspected Parasiris was supplying the drug dealers with cocaine and were hoping to find a large quantity of the drug inside. Because of their suspicions they obtained a search warrant allowing them to make a so-called "dynamic entry," designed to catch people off-guard before they can destroy evidence.
| "Dynamic entry", I like that term better than "no knock warrant". The man and his wife both testified no one called out "Police" until after the officer was shot. Thankfully in this affair neither of the children were hurt: Quote:
Parasiris fired four shots, striking Tessier three times. The fourth shot struck Const. Stephane Forbes, who was about to open the door to the bedroom of Parasiris's seven-year-old daughter, Stephanie.
When they heard the shots, three officers returned gunfire. Det.-Sgt. Nathalie Allard fired four shots towards Parasiris but struck his wife in the right arm and Tessier in the foot.
Constables Serge Lauzon and Francois Leblanc, the man in charge of the investigation, mistook where the shots were coming from and fired five rounds each towards the bedroom of Parasiris's 15-year-old son, George.
| The so-called "bad guy" fired 4 rounds, and struck his targets 4 times. The police fired at least 14 rounds striking the injured officers' foot once, the wife in the arm once and nothing else but walls. Im thinking some training is needed.
BTW: no significant drugs were found there(the police found less than a gram of cocaine, nearly two grams of marijuana, but found several beepers and cellphones) . He has other counts pending because the gun he used, while registered, was registered at another address, and the other 3 guns found were not registered.
After reading the article, do you think he should have been found innocent?
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June 15th, 2008, 11:00 AM
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No. You are required to surrender to the police. When they barge in guns drawn, etc. you are instructed to "lie on the ground" or whatever - and that's what you do.
Also, why did Mr. Innocent have a loaded gun so handy?
And yes, the cops could use some training. The problem with cops is they are afraid of getting killed, and occasionally will shoot anything that looks dangerous - dog, cat, ham sandwich...
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June 15th, 2008, 11:01 AM
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Wall.
I dont know how fast your reactions are, but when your family is in danger - especially 2 children, Im betting you would be moving very quickly in comparison to the way you normally react.
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June 15th, 2008, 01:25 PM
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Bull.
The cops barge in and tell you what to do. You do it. End of story. If you choose to resist, then you can be lawfully killed. |
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June 15th, 2008, 01:32 PM
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That's the problem here Chuckie. Nobody called out "police" as they were forcefully entering the house. He had no idea who the hell they were until after he fired his weapon. There are protocols to be followed by the po-po when raiding a home. They failed to follow them correctly and unfortunately, one of the officers paid the ultimate price for their mistake.
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June 15th, 2008, 01:42 PM
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The man and his wife both testified no one called out "Police" until after the officer was shot.
| I wonder if they also left out "on advice of his lawyer..."
If he admitted the identified themselves he'd have no defense at all. I'm pretty sure the Police identified themselves for their own safety. |
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June 15th, 2008, 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by no1_vern In Canada of all places, a police officer was shot to death after his team entered the home of a person believed to be a drug runner.
"Dynamic entry", I like that term better than "no knock warrant". The man and his wife both testified no one called out "Police" until after the officer was shot. Thankfully in this affair neither of the children were hurt:
The so-called "bad guy" fired 4 rounds, and struck his targets 4 times. The police fired at least 14 rounds striking the injured officers' foot once, the wife in the arm once and nothing else but walls. Im thinking some training is needed.
BTW: no significant drugs were found there(the police found less than a gram of cocaine, nearly two grams of marijuana, but found several beepers and cellphones) . He has other counts pending because the gun he used, while registered, was registered at another address, and the other 3 guns found were not registered.m
After reading the article, do you think he should have been found innocent? | But before the jury began hearing evidence, the trial judge, Justice Guy Cournoyer, ruled the warrant used for the raid was a violation of Parasiris's charter right that protects Canadians against abusive search and seizure. Cournoyer criticized the Laval police because they had no evidence they would find a large quantity of drugs in Parasiris's home. Also, Parasiris was never charged with drug trafficking after the raid.
Not only should he be found not guilty, but the authorities should pay for personal and physical damage to their home. Canada seems arse/backwards IMO, especially when the North looks upon the South that way. In Mississippi, when you buy a gun, rifle, etc from a dealer you have to register it. When you buy a weapon from an individual their are NO papers required. And what has the address have to do with anything, it's in your name?? If I was to move, then I would have to inform the Firearms Permit division. I believe being a law enforcement officer is a noble profession, but not following procedure and wind up losing your life.
P.S. Evidence found of a crime not related to the warrant, especially if the warrant was illegal, cannot be use used as evidence for another crime, is it not ????
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June 15th, 2008, 02:10 PM
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Pretty sure?? Pretty sure? Hm, I wonder how much that would hold up in court. . .
FTR: IF any of the POLICE officers testified they identified themselves before the shooting started, then maybe it would have stuck. The story doesn't say they did, so maybe they didn't and if the didnt the man is FULLY JUSTIFIED in protecting his family. |
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June 15th, 2008, 04:38 PM
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I'm pretty sure the Police identified themselves for their own safety.
| Because I wasn't there.
Fine. Go play bas ass with the cops. I'll send flowers...  |
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