If Anyone Wonders if Obama "Supports the Troops":Obama scraps visit to wounded troops

[MTAtech]

Timetable and Time Horizon aren't the same thing? There must be a nuance there that I missed -- but it can't be a nuance because that would be too Kerry-like.

Obama said his timetable is to remove all troops by 16 months after taking office. Nuri Kamal al-Maliki agrees with that timetable. Bush previously said that "Setting a deadline for withdrawal is setting a date for failure, and that would be irresponsible." Now, a 'time horizon' of 16 months after the next president takes office isn't setting a date and therefore isn't irresponsible and isn't a complete reversal of direction, which of course it is. How some people can eat up this BS boggles my mind.

Timetable or Time horizon, it's another attempt by this administration to twist the English language in such a way that 'A' is no longer 'A' -- as they did with "we do not torture" and "a wiretap requires a court order."

[sharder8]

Let me help you with your education MTA . . .

Look up and learn the difference between "short term" and "near term" . . .

They are not the same, yet sound like they may be the same.

BTW, those are Operations and Planning terms and not GWB's or the White House's, or the Republican's, or the Democrat's terms.

They are not a "twist" on the English language either . . .

Harder

[Theophylact]

A horizon, like the rainbow's end, can never be reached; as you approach it, it ever recedes.

[Shipuuden]

What will the left say if Obama gets elected, then 18 months into his term after the pull out everything goes horribly wrong.

Who will you blame then?

[Chuckiechan]

Quote:

What will the left say if Obama gets elected, then 18 months into his term after the pull out everything goes horribly wrong.

Obama is only telling the left he is pulling out. They only read lefty sources so they won't know that ever since Obama started getting NSA briefings, his position has "waffled".

After his Obamaplaooza show, he's now exactly where GWB is. "Phased reduction based on advice of commanders on the ground".

Obama is going to be forced to make choices - lefty programs or the troops. Who do you think he'll take care of?

[pickel]

The proof is in the pudding. McBush, as a child, stuffing his face




http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/28/us...mpaign.html?hp

McCain Assails Obama Over Foreign Tour


VetVoice:: McCain's Double Standard on Campaign Visits to Military Bases

McCain's Double Standard on Campaign Visits to Military Bases
by: Brandon Friedman
Fri Jul 25, 2008 at 12:39:32 PM EDT

Barack Obama canceled a pre-planned visit to the troops in Germany yesterday after being told by the Pentagon that the trip would violate a Pentagon policy prohibiting campaign stops on military installations. No problem there.

However, the McCain campaign is now blasting Obama:

The McCain camp has nonetheless been using Obama's canceled trip to insinuate that he's anti-troops. "Barack Obama is wrong," McCain spokesperson Brian Rogers said in a statement yesterday. "It is never 'inappropriate' to visit our men and women in the military."

The problem here is that the McCain campaign was denied a visit to a military base under the same policy back in April. Of course, there was no outcry or false outrage from Brian Rogers at that time.

From CNN:

With Department of Defense rules prohibiting political campaigning on military bases, it was determined that in some cases McCain could visit the installations as a senator but could not engage in any political activity or have news media present.

McCain campaign officials said Thursday they intentionally did not campaign on military property.

"We follow the rules," said senior McCain adviser Steve Schmidt.

Because all three presidential candidates are sitting senators, DoD officials have privately noted for some weeks that the whole matter of drawing the line between Senate business and campaigning is sensitive.

A U.S. Army official told CNN there are no pending requests from any of the campaigns to visit Army bases at this time. He noted that Sen. Barack Obama recently visited Fayetteville, North Carolina, but did not go to Fort Bragg; and Sen. Hillary Clinton visited Killeen, Texas, but did not go to Fort Hood.

For his Wednesday visit to the U.S. Naval Academy -- of which he is a graduate -- McCain was allowed to make a political appearance at the academy's football stadium because it is privately owned property and is not owned or run by the U.S. military.

Earlier in the day, when McCain had breakfast with midshipmen on academy grounds, it was closed to the press and considered a private event.

The military spokesman points out that any U.S. senator could also request to visit the academy or any military installation.

But the Navy declined a McCain campaign request to speak at the Naval Aviation Museum at the naval base in Pensacola, Florida, because it is a military owned installation and is located on the base, the official said.

McCain did attend an airshow over the weekend at the Navy base in Meridian, Mississippi, because it was open to the general public. But he declined to answer political questions from reporters traveling with him.

I understand that the McCain campaign is disorganized and pathologically clueless when it comes to utilizing the media, but they're clearly being dishonest in this case. McCain is demonstrably criticizing Obama for following a Pentagon rule to which the McCain campaign itself has been subjected recently. That's a fact. So this seems to be a simple cheap shot at Obama, in the hopes that the media won't be internet savvy enough (i.e., able to use Google) to figure out the whole story.

"We follow the rules," Steve Schmidt from the McCain campaign said.

Exactly. And they have no problem attacking Obama for doing the same. That's the very definition of "double standard."

Regardless, the Pentagon will now be under more pressure to keep the playing field even--and to keep the policy consistent on both sides.
Brandon Friedman :: McCain's Double Standard on Campaign Visits to Military Bases

[sharder8]

Quote:

Originally Posted by pickel

I understand that the McCain campaign is disorganized and pathologically clueless when it comes to utilizing the media, but they're clearly being dishonest in this case. McCain is demonstrably criticizing Obama for following a Pentagon rule to which the McCain campaign itself has been subjected recently. That's a fact. So this seems to be a simple cheap shot at Obama, in the hopes that the media won't be internet savvy enough (i.e., able to use Google) to figure out the whole story.

"We follow the rules," Steve Schmidt from the McCain campaign said.

Exactly. And they have no problem attacking Obama for doing the same. That's the very definition of "double standard."

Regardless, the Pentagon will now be under more pressure to keep the playing field even--and to keep the policy consistent on both sides.
Brandon Friedman :: McCain's Double Standard on Campaign Visits to Military Bases

Let me make it easier for you to understand the difference Old Man!

McCain follows the rules on this one . . .
Obama follows the rules on this one . . .

Are you clear on the fact that they both followed the rules???

McCain chose to go as just a Senator and no press . . . with no campaigning . . .
Obama chose to NOT go as just a Senator and NOT without the press . . . and NOT without campagning . . .

So, as some see it, Obama was incapable of meeting the rules that are adhered to by McCain when it comes to visiting the wounded troops. My question still stands . . . was it Obama's decision, or the decision of his campaign staff to pass up the visit? Either way, it is being taken as a slight of our troops.

I could also chaulk it up to Obama's lack of political experience that allowwed this to happen. I do know that he went on this trip to add international experience to his credentials . . . but he missed a great opportunity with the troops. McCain's people have now picked up on it and they're running with it to the press and people.

Harder

[pickel]

Quote:

Originally Posted by sharder8

Let me make it easier for you to understand the difference Old Man!

McCain follows the rules on this one . . .
Obama follows the rules on this one . . .

Are you clear on the fact that they both followed the rules???

McCain chose to go as just a Senator and no press . . . with no campaigning . . .
Obama chose to NOT go as just a Senator and NOT without the press . . . and NOT without campagning . . .

So, as some see it, Obama was incapable of meeting the rules that are adhered to by McCain when it comes to visiting the wounded troops. My question still stands . . . was it Obama's decision, or the decision of his campaign staff to pass up the visit? Either way, it is being taken as a slight of our troops.

I could also chaulk it up to Obama's lack of political experience that allowwed this to happen. I do know that he went on this trip to add international experience to his credentials . . . but he missed a great opportunity with the troops. McCain's people have now picked up on it and they're running with it to the press and people.

Harder

How are the Troops taking McBush's not voting on the GI Bill( Not even having the decency to show up) and wanting to extend benefits on the length of service bullschitt. Seeing him run his mouth and propose a man with 1 years service who lost an arm are an eye shouldn't get the opportunity to have the chance at a better life , instead of no life at all turns my stomach, especially a Naval vet, himself. My neighbor was a Seal w/ 20 years and was on the same base with McCain and said he was a complete asshole. Why don't you sign up for Skype and we can talk about it. It's FREE

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[sharder8]

Quote:

Originally Posted by pickel

How are the Troops taking McBush's not voting on the GI Bill( Not even having the decency to show up) and wanting to extend benefits on the length of service bullschitt. Seeing him run his mouth and propose a man with 1 years service who lost an arm are an eye shouldn't get the opportunity to have the chance at a better life , instead of no life at all turns my stomach, especially a Naval vet, himself. My neighbor was a Seal w/ 20 years and was on the same base with McCain and said he was a complete asshole.

If the word gets out and isn't fluffed over . . . the troops are going to take it as bad or worse than the slight from Obama. I've stated many times before that McCain isn't a friend of the vet or military . . .

Quote:

Originally Posted by pickel

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[MTAtech]

What disturbs me is people who get so bent out of shape over this hospital visit, which has no policy implications, while ignoring major news items, such as McCain's coziness with lobbyists. Which one does anyone think will have more influence on policy?