Obama stalls in public polling

[Xcalibvr]

Well here's the thing, and thanks for the welcome.

I don't support Obama because he's Obama, because he's a democrate or any other label, I support him because I feel what he represents is best for this country which is as I said in the end, whats best for me, while Im in or planning to be in this country.

I mean as for the lack of experience argument what has McCain done that's grants him the right to claim experience. Neither of these men have ever been President of the United States so in truth neither one of them are experienced at the job.

I think when the truth comes down to it that the President isn't even half the problem, the people in the White House now are the same people that were in the White House when Nixon was President trying to further the same shady self serving legislation, there again though, what's best for them while in or planning to be in this country.

That's the bs about it though, when it comes right down to it, everyone on both sides of the issues want the same things. To me it's not a matter of Democrat v Republican happening, it's corporate America v everyone else. Corprate America wants all the money it can get as fast as it can get it and it wants to part with as little of it as possible. There again the bs about it is that everyone else wants as much money as they can get as fast as they can get it and wants to part with as little of it as possible. What's best for them, in this country as long as they are in or planning to be in it.

So which side do you listen to? That's up to you to decide but decide something because it's what you wanted to decide, not because a reporter, a politician, a clergy or even a parent told you it was the right decision to make

[The Real Bingo]

Originally Posted by Xcalibvr

Well here's the thing, and thanks for the welcome.

I don't support Obama because he's Obama, because he's a democrate or any other label, I support him because I feel what he represents is best for this country which is as I said in the end, whats best for me, while Im in or planning to be in this country.

I mean as for the lack of experience argument what has McCain done that's grants him the right to claim experience. Neither of these men have ever been President of the United States so in truth neither one of them are experienced at the job.

I think when the truth comes down to it that the President isn't even half the problem, the people in the White House now are the same people that were in the White House when Nixon was President trying to further the same shady self serving legislation, there again though, what's best for them while in or planning to be in this country.

That's the bs about it though, when it comes right down to it, everyone on both sides of the issues want the same things. To me it's not a matter of Democrat v Republican happening, it's corporate America v everyone else. Corprate America wants all the money it can get as fast as it can get it and it wants to part with as little of it as possible. There again the bs about it is that everyone else wants as much money as they can get as fast as they can get it and wants to part with as little of it as possible. What's best for them, in this country as long as they are in or planning to be in it.

So which side do you listen to? That's up to you to decide but decide something because it's what you wanted to decide, not because a reporter, a politician, a clergy or even a parent told you it was the right decision to make

So you got the inferiority complex. You like Obama's ideas of obscenely taxing the rich because they have more than you...you're entitled to some of that money, right? That is the mindset, after all. You think it's some kind of community chest...everyone should get dibs at what other people earn. The more successful, the more of their money we should get.

That's why Obama has the young vote and the uneducated vote. They see a guy who will rob the rich to give to the poor. Evil, rich capitalist pigs. The bane of society. But without them, where would all your unearned money come from? Milk 'em for all their worth, then what? Where you gonna get your handout from?

It's a shame. I understand why he's so appealing...but he's no different than any other politician. In fact, he's probably worse.

[Toadman]

I support him because I feel what he represents is best for this country which is as I said in the end, whats best for me, while Im in or planning to be in this country.

What's best for you? Suckle that teat harder, milk the education, hey we're paying! Can I buy another parasite a one-way plane ticket?

Regardless, Obama has 50% of the Dem delegates still loyal to Hillary to appease and ready to jump ship. The bitch will be back.

[MTAtech]

Originally Posted by The Real Bingo

So you got the inferiority complex. You like Obama's ideas of obscenely taxing the rich because they have more than you...you're entitled to some of that money, right? That is the mindset, after all. You think it's some kind of community chest...everyone should get dibs at what other people earn. The more successful, the more of their money we should get.

That's why Obama has the young vote and the uneducated vote. They

I take the last point first. If one looks at the demographics from the primaries, Obama did much better with higher educated and white collar workers than lower educated voters.

On the first point, if one rejects the idea of a progressive income tax then that's the first hurdle. However, the nation has done very well over time with a progressive income tax.

On "obscenely taxing the rich," U.S. taxes are among the lowest in the industrialized world. The rich in particular have done very well under Bush. Their share of national weath and income have increased while their taxes have been reduced.

Although wages have stagnated since Bush took office, corporate profits have doubled. The gap between the nation's CEOs and average workers is now ten times greater than it was a generation ago. And while Bush's tax cuts shaved only a few hundred dollars off the tax bills of most Americans, they saved the richest one percent more than $44,000 on average.
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For the first time in our history, so much growth is being siphoned off to a small, wealthy minority that most Americans are failing to gain ground even during a time of economic growth -- and they know it. link

So which group do you think is the fairest one to get a tax increase? The one whose income has been stagnant for eight years or the one's that have walked away with most of the money?

[MTAtech]

I think Krugman reads this forum, because I remember making this point the other day regarding the desire for instant solutions:

And the debate on energy policy has helped me find the words for something I’ve been thinking about for a while. Republicans, once hailed as the “party of ideas,” have become the party of stupid.

Now, I don’t mean that G.O.P. politicians are, on average, any dumber than their Democratic counterparts. And I certainly don’t mean to question the often frightening smarts of Republican political operatives.

What I mean, instead, is that know-nothingism — the insistence that there are simple, brute-force, instant-gratification answers to every problem, and that there’s something effeminate and weak about anyone who suggests otherwise — has become the core of Republican policy and political strategy. The party’s de facto slogan has become: “Real men don’t think things through.”

[Xcalibvr]

Originally Posted by The Real Bingo

So you got the inferiority complex. You like Obama's ideas of obscenely taxing the rich because they have more than you...you're entitled to some of that money, right? That is the mindset, after all. You think it's some kind of community chest...everyone should get dibs at what other people earn. The more successful, the more of their money we should get.

That's why Obama has the young vote and the uneducated vote. They see a guy who will rob the rich to give to the poor. Evil, rich capitalist pigs. The bane of society. But without them, where would all your unearned money come from? Milk 'em for all their worth, then what? Where you gonna get your handout from?

It's a shame. I understand why he's so appealing...but he's no different than any other politician. In fact, he's probably worse.

Are you even aware of what an inferiority complex means? So what's wrong with taxing people more that have more money, it's logistics not morality. People are so up on their caplitalist religion that they think money and morality are one and the same, they aren't. Taxing should be simple numbers, you pay a percentage of your income period. I never said I agreed with everything Obama had to say either, I just happen to think he is better than the other guy.

I really resent the fact that you lumped me in as young an uneducated because I'm neither young nor am I uneducated. I don't want to rob the rich, but I'm a little tired of seeing our government give all the breaks it can to corporations who have more money than they are ever planning to spend. I also resent the fact that you think my money is unearned, it's no less earned than your money is. Your doing nothing but spouting off the capitlist religion, the corprate dogma, being a good solid sheep sheparded by the ideas of the money grubbing gilded ones. Do I think Capitalism is a bad thing? No, just like I dont think Communism or Socialism are bad things either, what I think is bad is when people subscribe to them to the point that they feel as though they are some sort of sacred religion to be followed blindly.

I don't want handouts, I've worked for everything I have and will continue to work for everything I have. Nobody helped me get through highschool when my grades were slipping, I pulled them up for myself. Nobody helped me get into the military and get promotions and medals, I earned those for myself. Nobody was there to coddle me when epilepsy forced me out of the military, I made due for myself and nobody was there to make me go to school to get a degree, I worked to make that happen myself.

But let's talk about that process for a moment, when I was in school and couldn't afford my lunch I was put on a program for free lunches, guess I was just getting unearned money, being a parasite to the grand Capitalist idea then. When I was in the military my health care was free, but it was paid for my tax dollars so I suppose it was unearned then. I get SSI and state health care because of the nature of my illness now but the SSI will be discontinued soon and hopefully the state health as well but that's dependent upon the place where I work and their insurance program. I'm terribly sorry that people like myself who took advantage of things that were designed to help them are ruining your American experience.

What's a shame is you didn't manage to back anything you said up with anything other than capilitalist dogma. Not one fact did you make present, only a ton of assumptions and personal opinion that sounded like a robot regurgetating a program.

Originally Posted by Toadman

What's best for you? Suckle that teat harder, milk the education, hey we're paying! Can I buy another parasite a one-way plane ticket?

Regardless, Obama has 50% of the Dem delegates still loyal to Hillary to appease and ready to jump ship. The bitch will be back.

Do you vote for what's best for me? If you do then I will certainly stop voting for what's best for me. I'm glad you think I'm a parasite but in truth so are you. You vote for what's best for you also, you make decisions in your life because they are in your opinon what is best for you at the time when you make them or because they are part of a plan of what is best for your future.

If me doing what is best for me makes me a parasite, then all of us are parasites.

[Pexster]

Bingo, please let us know at what point you consider a tax rate to be obscene. Did you think the tax rates used in the '90s were obscene? Xcalibvr, wlecome and nice post. It is true that we have quite a few people who belong to two religions -- one of them involving the worship of some non-existent "free market."