Global Climate Change Impacts in the United States

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Originally Posted by DonL

I have this planets geological record and Ice record clearly indicating that this planet has been at greater extremes in all categories that you people love to cite.

Of course you have. I have access to enough info that I will agree with you. The problem is your narrow view that all past warmings have a common trigger.

I have the history of the 1930's weather to refer too.

Would that include global mean temp records or local regional records. Are your records plotted over 8 or 10 years for trend evaluation?

Only an idiot discounts a proven history of a planet, then points without credible science fact that a new and unique cause is at fault for something that has happened quite a few times in the last few million years.

Each with their own triggers, positive feedbacks and other amplifiers. Natural cycles can be the trigger but there are other triggers you don’t seem to recognise. How did plate tectonics play into past warmings for instance? You’ll find that natural cycles weren’t always needed in the past. Only an idiot would make a statement like you did without actually doing a little reading first.

To Don, your post #64 is completely out of touch with reality. I’ve dealt with these arguments here on Techimo but IU guess you weren’t around here then.

Mars
There is no global warming on Mars. There have been regional instabilities due to large scale dust storms actually creating a cooling affect globally and regionally but on a temporary basis. How about Mars has been in a cooling period during these recent dust storms and is now getting some relief and warming back up to normal averages? Sounds more reasonable to me.

Read about it here: RealClimate (sources cited)

Jupiter
Gobal warming on Jupiter? If you’re talking about the 04’ hypothesis by Philip S. Marcus, it’s not about global Jupiter warming, it’s about changes in the distribution of cold and warm in the atmosphere. Jupiters 70 year cycles aren’t in sync with the earths cycles either so can’t be counted on to say, “Jupiter is warming for the same reasons the earth is warming.” Monchton said something like this at the Vatican Climate Change Conference in 07’ but as we have learned recently, Monckton is not a good source of info on the topic of GW.

Ice Cores? Do you really want to go that route? We are at CO2, 380ppm. From an examination of ice core data, this number is higher than it has been in at least the last half million years. Ice core data is discussed quite often at realclimate.org since they have experts in this field as article writers and/or submitting comments. Clearing up any misconceptions (if any proposed) of what ice core’s say about the state of warming would be quite easily cited.

I think your comment, “pathetic science” must be attributed to an ego problem and holds no merit.
A comment I found on realclimate.org which pretty much sums up why denier arguments are worthless.

It is “irrefutable evidence based fact” that (1) human activities, principally the burning of fossil fuels, are releasing large amounts of CO2 and other “greenhouse gases” into the atmosphere, that (2) the resulting increased concentration of these gases in the atmosphere is causing the Earth system to retain more of the sun’s heat, that (3) the Earth is getting hotter as a result, and that (4) this anthropogenic warming is causing rapid changes in the Earth’s climate, atmosphere, hydrosphere and biosphere. These statements are all based on direct empirical observation. None of them depend on any “model based theory”. They are facts.
Moreover, there is nothing that the Earth system, the sun, orbital cycles, etc. are known to do “periodically anyway”, or are observed to be doing now, that can account for the observed rapid heating of the Earth system. That idea is not even a “model based theory” — it is pure speculation unsupported by any model, theory or observation.
Really, what is it that makes you think that you have found the simple, obvious reason why anthropogenic global warming is not happening and cannot be happening — the simple and obvious reason that has somehow eluded the diligent attention of thousands of climate scientists who have studied this issue over decades?

Hopefully you were drinking when you made your comments Don because you don’t really seem to have much more then the usual tired old startup arguments of deniers though not offering any detail. If you ever did detail your arguments and if you are good talker you may influence a 6 year old or those under your direct authority with your arguments but anyone with a little intellectual curiosity would come out thinking you an idiot. (Back at ya.)
Do some reading of expert opinion in the relative field of climate science. I read in another thread you have or are dealing with nuclear armaments. If you’re not just the truck driver moving the yellow cake and have some scientific training in nulear physics, knowledge in Physics and a good understanding in thermodynamics will get you only so far in understanding the in’s and out’s of climate science and how all the data fits together. Myself I have to go with the expert conclusion in many cases since I’m not schooled in Physics and have only an adequate understanding of thermodynamics.

Got to cut this off. Off to work I go. I’ll get to Saturn when I get home later today.