Catholic bishops correct Pelosi on abortion

[Gomer]

Originally Posted by Chuckiechan

The root of the argument is one of ethics and morals, which are different between conservatives and liberals in lots of areas.

From an ethical/moral/conservative standpoint, what's your take on in vitro fertilization and other fertility treatments. Dozens of "children/babies/lives" (embryos) created and destroyed for the sake of a single life.

I know what the Catholics' take on it is, but what's yours?

[Pexster]

Originally Posted by excuzzzeme

Although I am against abortion I understand why someone chooses it. The most sickening aspect is the political and medical acceptance of "late term abortion". At this point it is a fully formed fetus. In my eyes this is murder of a fetus and should not be allowed except as a life-saving necessity.

What if the fetus is a malformed mutant with zero chance of survival as human being? Do you feel the woman must be forced to carry this fetus to term? Only to watch it die before her eyes?

[Bill in SD, CA]

Regardless of the stand you take on abortion, allowing people like Pelosi to intentionally add layers of deceit to the issue in order to further the cause is simply disgusting.

I was watching a show on Fox a couple of weeks back and a Obama supporter college professor who is a regular on the show ( think it was O'reilly ) stated that he believed that Jesus would support partial-birth abortion.

I swear!



Now that's really taking the leap!

Love to here the explanation on that one in the afterlife.

Bill

[Gomer]

Originally Posted by excuzzzeme

Although I am against abortion I understand why someone chooses it. The most sickening aspect is the political and medical acceptance of "late term abortion". At this point it is a fully formed fetus. In my eyes this is murder of a fetus and should not be allowed except as a life-saving necessity.

90% of abortion procedures are performed before week 12. Of the remaining 10%, only 1.4% are performed after week 20.

[MTAtech]

Originally Posted by Chuckiechan

The root of the argument is one of ethics and morals, which are different between conservatives and liberals in lots of areas.

That statement reveils volumes, especially about the conservative assumption that their morals are superior to those of liberals.

While most liberals favor abortion, liberals also favor supporting children that already are born. Conservatives believe in social Darwinism. Thus, conservatives consistently cut government funding of child health care, nutrition programs and education.

Liberals generally are opposed to capital punishment -- a view shared with the Catholic Church, while conservatives favor capital punishment.

In total, liberal values are more in tune with religious values of feeding the poor and clothing the naked than conservative values that largely favor the rich and powerful.

[Pexster]

Several people here have stated that Pelosi was wrong in her statements. Here is the entire exchange --

MR. BROKAW: Senator Obama saying the question of when life begins is above his pay grade, whether you're looking at it scientifically or theologically. If he were to come to you and say, "Help me out here, Madame Speaker. When does life begin?" what would you tell him?

REP. PELOSI: I would say that as an ardent, practicing Catholic, this is an issue that I have studied for a long time. And what I know is, over the centuries, the doctors of the church have not been able to make that definition. And Senator--St. Augustine said at three months. We don't know. The point is, is that it shouldn't have an impact on the woman's right to choose. Roe v. Wade talks about very clear definitions of when the child--first trimester, certain considerations; second trimester; not so third trimester. There's very clear distinctions. This isn't about abortion on demand, it's about a careful, careful consideration of all factors and--to--that a woman has to make with her doctor and her god. And so I don't think anybody can tell you when life begins, human life begins. As I say, the Catholic Church for centuries has been discussing this, and there are those who've decided...

MR. BROKAW: The Catholic Church at the moment feels very strongly that it...

REP. PELOSI: I understand that.

MR. BROKAW: ...begins at the point of conception.

REP. PELOSI: I understand. And this is like maybe 50 years or something like that. So again, over the history of the church, this is an issue of controversy. But it is, it is also true that God has given us, each of us, a free will and a responsibility to answer for our actions. And we want abortions to be safe, rare, and reduce the number of abortions. That's why we have this fight in Congress over contraception. My Republican colleagues do not support contraception. If you want to reduce the number of abortions, and we all do, we must--it would behoove you to support family planning and, and contraception, you would think. But that is not the case. So we have to take--you know, we have to handle this as respectfully--this is sacred ground. We have to handle it very respectfully and not politicize it, as it has been--and I'm not saying Rick Warren did, because I don't think he did, but others will try to.

She may have been wrong about the "50 years" aspect of this, but to claim that this question has never been a point of controversy, or that people in the Church have always held the position that life begins at the moment of conception is demonstrably false. As she pointed out, St. Augustine had a different view. I believe St. Thomas Aquinas had a different view.

[mad1]

Originally Posted by Pexster

Several people here have stated that Pelosi was wrong in her statements. Here is the entire exchange --She may have been wrong about the "50 years" aspect of this, but to claim that this question has never been a point of controversy, or that people in the Church have always held the position that life begins at the moment of conception is demonstrably false. As she pointed out, St. Augustine had a different view. I believe St. Thomas Aquinas had a different view.

VATICAN CITY – While some scientists, legislators and even some parents see the human embryo as material that can be studied, frozen or destroyed, for the Catholic Church an embryo is human and has "a special relationship with God," said Bishop Elio Sgreccia.

Respect for the human embryo from the moment of conception, he said, is an "ethically sustainable position supported by scientific data and philosophical reasoning."

When does life begin? Vatican official: Embryos human before implantation - Catholic Online

[MTAtech]

What does this have to do with the price of tea in China?

This is nothing more than the Republicans making mountains out of ant hills.

[mad1]

Originally Posted by MTAtech

What does this have to do with the price of tea in China?

This is nothing more than the Republicans making mountains out of ant hills.

If this were a Democrats making mountains out of mole hills would it change your view point?

[Epidemic]

oh no when MTA takes on an issue it is clearly the right position. Not a mole hill