Manmade CO2 Driven Climate Change

[747simpilot]

@Scott..

What are you saying? That science proves all! That the climate is heating up due to people all the while completely rejecting earth's cycles and possibilities?

This is like trusting the medicine commercials. One day its said to be good for you, then a study comes out stating that the pill "may cause liver disease" Keyword: Study. After all, climate change is a "study". Right? Fact of the matter is, science will proabbly never find the absolute root cause of said "climate change". At least not in our lifetime. Let along find the cause this extinction. Permian–Triassic extinction event - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Taken from the link, 'Current global warming is just part of a natural cycle' | Gristmill: The environmental news blog | Grist a commenter like you! writes

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As the earth warms, carbon sinks (like forests, the permafrost, or the sea floor) become carbon emitters big time. CO2 and methane flood the atmosphere and overwhelm the carbon eco-system. For instance, 55 million years ago a natural runaway global warming episode (nicknamed the PETM) caused mass extinctions. About 500 million years ago the global warming episode was so bad that most life died (that's why it was nicknamed the "Great Dying).

And he has absolute, definitive evidence of this? Note the Wiki entry I submitted above. The fact is



No one knows for certain! but we do know one thing that is for certain, that the earth does have cycles..

FWIW..I support hydrogen as a fuel source... another topic another time..

[Beemer]

Sorry Scott. Too many uneducated opinions to sit by and let it continue. Hopefully the vid I offered up in post #8 explained the mentality of the AGW denialist.

Global warming needs a face to be considered a threat and/or if it was happening at a more alarming rate, one in which daily, the effects were recognisably obvious more folks would understand the need for a major change in the way we do things and fast.

Hopefully everyone watched that vid.

747simpilot
I'll fill in the holes of your reasoning.

Now go lookup flood basalt, plate tectonics occurring during those times. It was CO2 driven warmings and not the Milankovitch cycle, and lasted for thousands or millions of years. Even in more recent warmings where the Milankovitch cycle begins the warming, CO2 is released from a warmer ocean which heats the atmosphere to a certain point. This has happened in the present warming but yet taking into account only the cycle doesn't account for the degree of warming observed. That happens only when you add in the anthropogenic influences such as CO2 and other GHG's.

[Toadman]

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This poll has one purpose: to try to get to the heart of why people refuse to accept what science has been saying, and the media has been reporting, about climate change being linked to man made CO2.

I'm not interested in a global warming debate and I will delete any posts that start debating the science.

So this thread is basically pointless from the get-go. "I will poll then lecture you and you will listen quietly with no debate."

[jokostel]

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Originally Posted by Toadman

So this thread is basically pointless from the get-go. "I will poll then lecture you and you will listen quietly with no debate."

That is the true liberal way.

[sharder8]

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Originally Posted by ScottW

This poll has one purpose: to try to get to the heart of why people refuse to accept what science has been saying, and the media has been reporting, about climate change being linked to man made CO2.

I'm not interested in a global warming debate and I will delete any posts that start debating the science. This isn't a debate about whether or not the warming is happening, whether or not it's man made or natural, or whether or not it's a problem for us.

I am only interested in using this thread to understand exactly and expressly why each individual here refuses to accept the science. Pick the poll response that best fits, or add your own, but don't go off on tangents - there are other threads at techimo for debates.

Where's the deletions???? The debate is raging and no deletions . . .



Harder

[voogru]

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Originally Posted by jokostel

That is the true liberal way.

Well, it's his website. So he can do as he pleases.

I think I'll stay out of climate change threads from now on though.

[zepper]

The science on this issue is that CO2 has little to do with climate - there is just too little of it at approx. 0.04% of the atmosphere. Some sources claim that CO2 has increased approx. 35% over the last century. Well, 35% of nothing is still nothing... The average distance from the Sun does have major impact on climate. Shorter term changes are mainly controlled by the water cycle. How about all of the respirating animals on the planet taking in O2 and putting out CO2?..

How about an additional response for your survey: "The science does not support CO2 as being a significant factor at all."

The key problem with your first response is the word "believe" - I don't care at all for "believe" (a lot of fantasies were/are believed: the world is flat, Earth is the center of the galaxy, etc...), I care about "know" and "facts".

I won't be bothering to respond to your poll until it contains an inclusive list of possible answers and is restarted.

.bh.

[Creatures]

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Originally Posted by zepper

The key problem with your first response is the word "believe" - I don't care at all for "believe" (a lot of fantasies were/are believed: the world is flat, Earth is the center of the galaxy, etc...), I care about "know" and "facts".

did anyone care to read my first post here? i guess not, todays theories have a logic construction build with laws proven with todays science, if something is actually wrong with this science global warming is our smallest of problems science has to take care of. the theory works so far and there is no sign that it won't work for another 100 years (except if they won't find the higgs boson in geneva which well is gonna be a problem)

how can you board a plane without trusting sience btw?

Creatures

[Pexster]

For those interested in something substantive, listen to Thomas Friedman on today's Fresh Air.

[Epidemic]

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Originally Posted by Creatures

how can you board a plane without trusting sience btw?

Creatures

Duh! Very simple! one does not need to trust science associated with airplanes. Even though science was used to create the plane, one need not rely on science to trust flight today.


Flight is proven fact. It is seen every day and there are people in my circle of friends as well as myself who have experienced it.

Now AGW is not proven.

Fact it has been warmer historically

Fact during peak co2 levels temperatures have been known to drop precipitously for thousands of years beyond current theory to explain. (at least explainations I have heard yet)

question: If co2 based co2 amplifies warming then why do historical giant co2 spikes result in earth becoming venus. With levels many times lower than co2 today the beginning of every warming trend, temperatures rise and dont stop until peak temp is reached then suddenly, then co2 remains peaked for eons whilst temperatures plumet. Beemer took a stab at this one with his expert but failed miserably with his own explaination to answer the facts in evidence.