Manmade CO2 Driven Climate Change

[Pexster]

You keep blowing hot air about science you don't understand. if you want to understand it, go study climatology or oceanography. Or at least exert some effort to inform yourself.

It's depressing seeing how many people here accept only science that fits their political preferences.

[jokostel]

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Originally Posted by voogru

Well, it's his website. So he can do as he pleases.

I think I'll stay out of climate change threads from now on though.

I hear ya.
Still doesn't make it right.

[Creatures]

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Originally Posted by Epidemic

Duh! Very simple! one does not need to trust science associated with airplanes. Even though science was used to create the plane, one need not rely on science to trust flight today.


Flight is proven fact. It is seen every day and there are people in my circle of friends as well as myself who have experienced it.

ok this is a way to see it, trusting others or your eyes, which doesnt tell you if it really works when you board it, maybe it's magic and you have the ability to break this magic ;p i don't board anything without knowing how it works (cars, planes, trains etc.)


now talking about global warming, the CO2 factor which you pointed out doesnt tell us that global warmin is man made, but that co2 level is higher than anything we every encountered in earth history should make us think, because co2 is proven to be a greenhouse gas and the greenhouse effect is proven to be true too, so even if it's such a small number science has proven that this has influence on earth temperature, the base temperature of earth is 15°C i looked it up, and i can if you really want me to calculate how much more energy the sun has to produce to warm the earth more than 1°C, there might be cycles but they never exceeded todays measurments

Creatures

[Shipuuden]

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Originally Posted by voogru

Well, it's his website. So he can do as he pleases.

I think I'll stay out of climate change threads from now on though.

It may be his web site, but he does not represent it very well.

I have respect for Rob, Whir and the other mods; At least they pretty much stay neutral and represent TIMO neutrally.

[Epidemic]

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Originally Posted by Creatures

ok this is a way to see it, trusting others or your eyes, which doesnt tell you if it really works when you board it, maybe it's magic and you have the ability to break this magic ;p i don't board anything without knowing how it works (cars, planes, trains etc.)


now talking about global warming, the CO2 factor which you pointed out doesnt tell us that global warmin is man made, but that co2 level is higher than anything we every encountered in earth history should make us think, because co2 is proven to be a greenhouse gas and the greenhouse effect is proven to be true too, so even if it's such a small number science has proven that this has influence on earth temperature, the base temperature of earth is 15°C i looked it up, and i can if you really want me to calculate how much more energy the sun has to produce to warm the earth more than 1°C, there might be cycles but they never exceeded todays measurments

Creatures

Actually creatures it is not that easy to calculate. basically 1% more output in solar may result in many degree change because it involves greater water vapor less reflection from snow caps and all the other things attributed to AGW.

Long and short of it... the primary driver in the Global temperature is obviously not c02 being that the end of each warming period is punctuated by High co2 and a 3° drop in temperature. Practically over night. Remember that is one of my primary arguments. So it is obvious that something happens every 100,000 years that forces sharp rise in temp and then subsequently a sharp fall in temperature about 18,000 years later. So be it solar, Elvis, or little grey aliens... there is one thing for sure something drives more than 3° very quickly and it ain't CO2!

[zepper]

Almost all "science" re. "global warming" is agenda driven - the self-hating leftists' anti-human agenda. And trying to dig out what little is actually science is worth no one's time to bother with. If the scientist is not neutral going in, than any results he turns out must also be suspect.

.bh.

[Creatures]

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Originally Posted by Epidemic

Actually creatures it is not that easy to calculate. basically 1% more output in solar may result in many degree change because it involves greater water vapor less reflection from snow caps and all the other things attributed to AGW.

Long and short of it... the primary driver in the Global temperature is obviously not c02 being that the end of each warming period is punctuated by High co2 and a 3° drop in temperature. Practically over night. Remember that is one of my primary arguments. So it is obvious that something happens every 100,000 years that forces sharp rise in temp and then subsequently a sharp fall in temperature about 18,000 years later. So be it solar, Elvis, or little grey aliens... there is one thing for sure something drives more than 3° very quickly and it ain't CO2!

of course it's more complicated to actually calculate what happens here on earth, i was only talking about the base temperature we have with the suns momentary power output, without albedo, greenhouse gases etc. we can measure the suns power output and i'm pretty sure it doesnt change in any significant direction, what changes is what happens here, you tell me that back in time temp went down even though co2 was high, i can't deny that but i still claim my points, co2 is a greenhouse gas, it is highest ever meassured on this planet and the temperature is rising behind the co2 right now, that's why what you noticed after warm periods may have reasons we don't know, but the rise in temperature today, has it's reason within the extreme high co2 (and other greenhouse gases)

Creatures

[Epidemic]

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Originally Posted by Creatures

it is highest ever meassured on this planet and the temperature is rising behind the co2 right now, that's why what you noticed after warm periods may have reasons we don't know, but the rise in temperature today, has it's reason within the extreme high co2 (and other greenhouse gases)

Creatures

The point I am making with the violent temperature swings that are inversely related to co2 is because they indicate a relationship of warming releases co2 as such co2 is not a primary driver. AS such I am not sure how much affect doubling it will cause I still contend that looking at history we are on the cusp of 3 degree drop toward the next ice age.... only a few thousand years left at best. So when this happens we is gonna see extinction class events which will make mans impact on earth look like a walk in the daisys.

[Creatures]

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Originally Posted by Epidemic

The point I am making with the violent temperature swings that are inversely related to co2 is because they indicate a relationship of warming releases co2 as such co2 is not a primary driver. AS such I am not sure how much affect doubling it will cause I still contend that looking at history we are on the cusp of 3 degree drop toward the next ice age.... only a few thousand years left at best. So when this happens we is gonna see extinction class events which will make mans impact on earth look like a walk in the daisys.

the problem here is that earth is in balance, it goes back and forth but never falls apart, if men changes one little aspect of this balance it collapses. this 0.0384% seems not much but it has a big influence:

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emissions of CO2 by human activities are currently more than 130 times greater than the quantity emitted by volcanoes, amounting to about 27 billion tonnes per year.

[Epidemic]

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Originally Posted by Creatures

the problem here is that earth is in balance, it goes back and forth but never falls apart, if men changes one little aspect of this balance it collapses. this 0.0384% seems not much but it has a big influence:we are hurting this planet, you should see this by now, we have influence (130 times of volcanoes, just imagine that!)

Greenhouse gas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Radiative forcing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Earth's atmosphere - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Creatures

Actually I agree earth is balance. The question still remains if co2 is a feather in the balance of the environment. The thing that makes temps drop 3 degrees at the end of each warming period is a lead weight that slams into the earth balance.