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September 16th, 2008, 10:07 PM #1
Fed to Loan A.I.G. $85 Billion in Rescue
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/17/bu...hp&oref=slogin
With ALL the money being given to these crooks, why don't they get real and just pay off the homes loans and the crisis would be over. Screw he little guy. Keep the Big Buck bastards in their country club and keep their whores out of the soup kitchen.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iE9TN...eature=related
The Nation which forgets it's defenders will itself be forgotten
You cannot make peace with dictators. You have to destroy them–wipe them out!
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September 16th, 2008, 10:29 PM #2
What pisses me off is AIG rejected private equity loans. Obviously this pisses me off, too, but they could've gotten the money - or some of it - without dipping into the community chest. Of course, a failure of AIG would've been disastrous...but hey, I say let it run its course. One thing that can be said is that at least the government displayed some discretion by not bailing out Merrill Lynch and/or Lehman Brothers.
$85 billion loan...shit should be taken out of the pockets of the executives with 20% interest just for the inconvenience.
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September 16th, 2008, 10:36 PM #3
Great, more of the Fed’s portfolio tied up in loans backed by dubious collateral.
This isn't capitalism. It's an example of the new rule of investment banking -- heads they win, tails the taxpayers lose.Conservatives: "If the facts disagree with our opinion, ignore the facts -- or at least misrepresent them."
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September 16th, 2008, 10:37 PM #4
from the ol' conspiracy POV, having the government control all these companies (both directly and through loans) is pretty scary, no?
Good job, friend-of-friends!
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September 16th, 2008, 10:57 PM #5
Nothing wrong with a little ol' conspiracy theory once and awhile
-- especially when the theory is true.

What really is scary is the irony of what pickel said about paying off the home owners who are "upside down" on their mortgages would at least help some people who are not working on their $20th Million.
But it's the one thing that wasn't and won't be considered by the Gang of 10,000.
DOO
OOG
Err...Gov't will get markers on 80% of AIG's "equity". Huh?
Maybe the Gov't doesn't expect to be paid as they've been paid already
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September 17th, 2008, 05:29 AM #6
If they didn't loan the money smaller banks around the world would have collapsed, making things a lot worse than what they already are. These guys got their hand in cookie jars around the world, and we are just now finding out about it. They repacked loans (just like F. Mac/Mae did), and now it's biting us in the a$$. The ECB put €50 billion into their system to stabalize the system. The worst is yet to come.
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September 17th, 2008, 08:44 AM #7
85 billion at 11% interest
"Sometimes life is just what we make it."
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September 17th, 2008, 12:18 PM #8
I love watching business types who call Social Security 'socialism' defend the government bailing out their investment companies.
Conservatives: "If the facts disagree with our opinion, ignore the facts -- or at least misrepresent them."
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September 17th, 2008, 12:19 PM #9
I'm not sure about the 11% interest, but the Fed has 80% of their stake for the next two years.
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September 17th, 2008, 03:09 PM #10Conservatives: "If the facts disagree with our opinion, ignore the facts -- or at least misrepresent them."
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September 17th, 2008, 03:20 PM #11Think about this. Our government has just decided -- without asking any of us, including our Congressional representatives -- that $85 billion more of our money should be used to cover the actions of (and pardon the unsophisticated language here) stupid, greedy, criminal people. Stupid, because they didn't have a clue that what they were doing would have such negative consequences. Greedy, because all they could see were short term dollar signs in front of their eyes. Criminal, because they just robbed you and me of $85 billion dollars by holding a "we're too big to fail" gun to the head of the US government.Good job, friend-of-friends!
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September 17th, 2008, 03:28 PM #12
Honestly I think it's to keep all the other businesses that depend on them from collapsing too.
I have a feeling it wont work though.
Where's the government getting all of these trillions of dollars we are lending anyway? Perhaps borrowed from the Chinese government?"Sometimes life is just what we make it."
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September 17th, 2008, 03:56 PM #13
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September 17th, 2008, 04:27 PM #14
Today on NPRGreenberger gives a very clear and interesting explanation of what's going on, you might enjoy it.September 17, 2008 · The bankruptcy of financial services giant Lehman Brothers and the 500-point drop in the stock market on Sept. 15 have sent shockwaves through the financial community. Law professor Michael Greenberg explains how the recent turmoil on Wall Street could trigger a domino effect for economies around the world.
Greenberger is the director of the Center for Health and Homeland Security at the University of Maryland and the principal deputy associate attorney general at the Justice Department.
Last edited by surreal; September 17th, 2008 at 04:28 PM. Reason: forgot the linky
"Sometimes life is just what we make it."
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September 17th, 2008, 04:50 PM #15
I've been reading about 20 different points of view on this, and they all sum it up about the same. The real killer was AIG. Nobody was expecting the Fed to pull them out until AIG stated where there assets were, and how much money was involved. I'm sure more news will keep popping up over the next few days (if not longer) about this whole financial fiasco. Stay tuned!!!
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September 17th, 2008, 07:11 PM #16
You gotta love the fact that AIG considers itself an international group and when it meets trouble, it comes to USA.
This move by the Feds will stir up some troubles. Why should the government make up for bad investment choices AIG (a private corporation) made with our tax dollars? (Because AIG is one of those companies that should never tank in the economy)
Anyhow. It is revealing that despite the Feds have given 85 billion dollars (of course, the Feds pretty much also take the 80% of the company too), the Stock market today plummeted like shit.
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September 17th, 2008, 10:48 PM #17
I've been tracking the stock market since the August 26, and it's gone down roughly 770+ points since then. The Dollar has also lost ground since the Fed stepped in on AIG. The worst is yet to come.
Europe and Asia see U.S. as no longer practicing what it preaches - International Herald Tribune
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September 17th, 2008, 10:52 PM #18
No surprise there. Short-term Treasuries also got hit hard.
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September 18th, 2008, 06:12 AM #19
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September 18th, 2008, 07:29 AM #20
What do I mean? I mean you only counted the loses...you didn't count the gains. I say again the stock market lost 770+ points since August 26. If you want the exact figure 774 points.
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