Voting for what you believe in

[SiliconJon]

Granted, Nader, Barr, Baldwin, NotA, et al are statistically insignificant, it is only because you have relinquished your country to the hands of the media and the elite few who control it. You have decided that because your media does not cover anything other than the oligopoly then nothing more could possibly exist, yet this self-fulfilling prophecy requires nothing more than your apathy for fulfillment.

Do you want to see a change? Then vote for what you believe to be freedom. It's not anti-freedom, nor fear, nor complacency for the sake of feeling a part of a winning team, but that which mankind has so long shed blood for: freedom to do with as we see fit so long as it take no freedoms from others. It is only that which pushes us into new realms not previously possible in our barbaric history.

If you want to see our humanity insanity persist then follow suit with the machine that pushes you on for its own malfeasance.

If you want to see the day when you children can live free lives then take that which our forefathers so desperately sacrificed so much for in order to protest and run with it.

Do not vote for the lesser of two evils for there are more than two to choose from. Do not sacrifice your ability to voice your heart with your vote simply because you fear it will be outnumbered. Cast thy voice with confidence and no that so long as you do so others will gain courage to stand tall and join thy ranks as freedom will reign supreme only so long as fear hath no seat among thyself.

[tony_j15]

I'm somewhat of a conservative but I will not be voting for John McCain. All my Republican friends think that's outrageous, of course.
"He may not be perfect, but you gotta vote for the lesser of two evils, man. Do you want Obama in the White House?"
I say it's that sort of thinking that got these two morons (along with the wonderful media) where they are today.

[pickel]

Granted, Nader, Barr, Baldwin, NotA, et al are statistically insignificant, it is only because you have relinquished your country to the hands of the media and the elite few who control it. You have decided that because your media does not cover anything other than the oligopoly then nothing more could possibly exist, yet this self-fulfilling prophecy requires nothing more than your apathy for fulfillment.

Do you want to see a change? Then vote for what you believe to be freedom. It's not anti-freedom, nor fear, nor complacency for the sake of feeling a part of a winning team, but that which mankind has so long shed blood for: freedom to do with as we see fit so long as it take no freedoms from others. It is only that which pushes us into new realms not previously possible in our barbaric history.

If you want to see our humanity insanity persist then follow suit with the machine that pushes you on for its own malfeasance.

If you want to see the day when you children can live free lives then take that which our forefathers so desperately sacrificed so much for in order to protest and run with it.

Do not vote for the lesser of two evils for there are more than two to choose from. Do not sacrifice your ability to voice your heart with your vote simply because you fear it will be outnumbered. Cast thy voice with confidence and no that so long as you do so others will gain courage to stand tall and join thy ranks as freedom will reign supreme only so long as fear hath no seat among thyself.

These are the kind of words Revolutions were initiated by. Power to the People !!!






In December of 1775, an anonymous Philadelphia correspondent wrote to Bradford's Pennsylvania journal concerning the symbolic use of the snake. He began the letter by saying:

I recollected that her eye excelled in brightness that of any other animal, and that she has no eye-lids. She may, therefore, be esteemed an emblem of vigilance. She never begins an attack, nor, when once engaged, ever surrenders. She is, therefore, an emblem of magnanimity and true courage.

It was probably the deadly bite of the rattler, however, which was foremost in the minds of its designers, and the threatening slogan "Don't Tread on Me" added further significance to the design.

[Toadman]

Interesting how virtually no one is pro-candidate but vehemently anti-opponent straight down partisan lines, isn't it? Anyone but. How do you feel being played?

[Chuckiechan]

I still don't think Obama is going to win. When things are bad you don't look to amateurs for leadership.

I think Mc Cain demanding an accounting of "who is Barrak Obama" is going to force the issue onto the mainstream media.

[lost-and-found]

I'm a registered Republican, but neither McCain nor Obama will be getting my vote this election. This year l-a-f's voting 3rd party.

[strjms72]

I don't know if you see this : YouTube - Don't Vote
Don't Vote. Big name celebrities come together to... tell you not to vote.

[SiliconJon]

I'm somewhat of a conservative but I will not be voting for John McCain. All my Republican friends think that's outrageous, of course.
"He may not be perfect, but you gotta vote for the lesser of two evils, man. Do you want Obama in the White House?"
I say it's that sort of thinking that got these two morons (along with the wonderful media) where they are today.

A perfect example of knowingly condoning the failure of the system as you clearly state your understanding of how this sort of behavior plays into this mess we have become, yet you state you are still going to partake in further exacerbating this mess by continuing the same behavior.

I don't know if you see this : YouTube - Don't Vote
Don't Vote. Big name celebrities come together to... tell you not to vote.

There are several alternatives in most of the states so not voting is a lousy plan of attack unless one who knows something is wrong with the system truly believes that allowing those who are screwing it up to continue to be the only one's working in the system is somehow an acceptable course of action. The self-fulfilling prophecy of defeat - knowing how big a mess it has become, predicting it will only get worse, then pushing for that result by refusing to take any effort to correct it.

Interesting how virtually no one is pro-candidate but vehemently anti-opponent straight down partisan lines, isn't it? Anyone but. How do you feel being played?

We have all been played in a great many manners, however I will not vote Blue or Red as a counter-vote as there are other options on the ticket in my state that I can actually support.

[Theophylact]

Well, I'm actually pro-Obama. I'm far more enthusiastic about him than I've been about any Democratic candidate since Adlai Stevenson.

That said, I would have been even more enthusiastic about Russ Feingold. But he wasn't running.

(Mind you, I would have been against any of this year's crop of Republicans, simply because of the danger of having a Republican President in position to appoint yet another right-wing ideologue to the Supreme Court.)

[aldtech]

Granted, Nader, Barr, Baldwin, NotA, et al are statistically insignificant, it is only because you have relinquished your country to the hands of the media and the elite few who control it. You have decided that because your media does not cover anything other than the oligopoly then nothing more could possibly exist, yet this self-fulfilling prophecy requires nothing more than your apathy for fulfillment.

Do you want to see a change? Then vote for what you believe to be freedom. It's not anti-freedom, nor fear, nor complacency for the sake of feeling a part of a winning team, but that which mankind has so long shed blood for: freedom to do with as we see fit so long as it take no freedoms from others. It is only that which pushes us into new realms not previously possible in our barbaric history.

If you want to see our humanity insanity persist then follow suit with the machine that pushes you on for its own malfeasance.

If you want to see the day when you children can live free lives then take that which our forefathers so desperately sacrificed so much for in order to protest and run with it.

Do not vote for the lesser of two evils for there are more than two to choose from. Do not sacrifice your ability to voice your heart with your vote simply because you fear it will be outnumbered. Cast thy voice with confidence and no that so long as you do so others will gain courage to stand tall and join thy ranks as freedom will reign supreme only so long as fear hath no seat among thyself.

Very grandiose thinking here, and I'm with you in spirit, but the reality of it is that no third party candidate has a chance no matter how popular they are. In order for the third party candidate options to work they need a base to draw from not just in the form of voters but also an established base of politicians already in office that have a successful track record for the people/voters to judge by. Someone out of the blue is just not going to make it and can/will be used as a tool by the established 2 parties to play off of the other.

I've looked at Ron Paul and the Libertarian party (I know, two separate entities) and while a more simplistic government is very appealing I feel that in being such we would be hemming in our capabilities of being a true world leader (again). As far as Nader goes, his time has passed.

So who else is there? That is what we are left to choose from and while a lot of people these days are basing their vote on the lesser of two evils I think they should go beyond that narrow minded perspective because all they are really doing is giving in to the spin doctors and their surrogates of the current two party system.

There is abundant information about both candidates out there, that has to be heavily parsed of course, but it is up to you to go out and find it because CNN/Fox are just going to give you the popular views in alignment to their base viewership that are usually short on substance and far away from in-depth personality. Again, you also have to take into consideration from where/who any information you find comes from because someone always has an angle of influence so you have to know that going in because despite what might be their bias, obvious or not, there is usually some truth to what they are saying. Its up to you to be able to filter out the BS and that also applies to opinions posted in this forum.

The reality of a "third party" or independent candidacy has to start at the bottom, local community government, state then national government. If you are real in wanting to change like I do, than you have to start there.

/al

[aldtech]

I still don't think Obama is going to win. When things are bad you don't look to amateurs for leadership.

I think Mc Cain demanding an accounting of "who is Barrak Obama" is going to force the issue onto the mainstream media.

How about a good look and accounting of who McCain really is. If you are interested check out this Rolling Stone article.

/al

[sharder8]

How about a good look and accounting of who McCain really is. If you are interested check out this Rolling Stone article.

/al

How about a good look at both McCain and Obama . . . and not liking what you see???

Well, I'm actually pro-Obama. I'm far more enthusiastic about him than I've been about any Democratic candidate since Adlai Stevenson.

That said, I would have been even more enthusiastic about Russ Feingold. But he wasn't running.

(Mind you, I would have been against any of this year's crop of Republicans, simply because of the danger of having a Republican President in position to appoint yet another right-wing ideologue to the Supreme Court.)

No sh*t sherlock . . . as if most of us didn't see that coming . . . (Sorry old timer, but I'm in the middle of an allergy attack and couldn't help the response.) Everyone who wants Obama to win, expects he'll put more liberal judges on the SCOTUS and remove religious freedom and the right to bear arms for any use.

Our election system has gone to crap for a long time and needs to be seriously changed. That's one of the reasons I support None Of The Above. We need to vote and we need to be heard . . . at least until the Electoral College says we don't know doodoo and elects based on their desires.

Harder

[SiliconJon]

Aldtech, you either completely failed to understand my point or just refuse to believe that some of us don't like either mainstream political gang.

And sharder8, there's a much more serious issue at hand that the Electoral College. We have people wasting their votes and then spewing contradictory rhetoric stating they did so because they didn't want to waste their votes. That is a far more serious problem than the electoral college, though any measure to break the two-party system is a necessary step as well.