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November 23rd, 2008, 05:58 PM
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As they move north, our economy becomes more and more like Mexico's.
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November 23rd, 2008, 06:07 PM
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Someone please show me a program that the government runs successfully. Just one. Social Security,...Post office,...Military,...Fannie May, Freddie Mac,...financial standards...Medicare,...Environmental standards, cum-on just one. PLEASE! And you want to risk your life to that mess. | |
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November 23rd, 2008, 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by evereddie  Someone please show me a program that the government runs successfully. Just one. Social Security,...Post office,...Military,...Fannie May, Freddie Mac,...financial standards...Medicare,...Environmental standards, cum-on just one. PLEASE! And you want to risk your life to that mess. | M E D I C A R E.
If it wasn't for Medicare I'd be DEAD. How's that, Mr. Evereddie. 
Dialysis for eight years and a New Kidney. Now, how in the hell, was going to pay( about $200,000 w/ my health Ins., just for the kidney.( Who knows how much dialysis was ) for ALL that without Medicare and ALL the good citizens who contribute to it ?????? I worked for over 35 years, contributing to SS and Medicare, and am alive ,today, because of it.
Don't knock, you might NEED it someday.
Would have sent you a PM...but you're incommunicado. 
Hate when that happens.
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November 23rd, 2008, 11:19 PM
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Pickel, I am very glad it helped you but you didn't anwer my question. Whether you feel it right now or care to know, Medicare like all other government programs is in big rouble. Here it is directly.... How Obama And McCain Differ On Medicare, CBS Evening News: How The Candidates Propose To Fix The Ailing Program - CBS News
"Both Sens. Barack Obama and John McCain concede Medicare is in trouble.
"By 2019, there will be no money left!" McCain has said.
He blames bloated bureaucracy. Arguing doctors and clinics should get lump-sum payments for quality care, instead of being paid for individual tests and treatments.
"What about the idea of saying, 'OK,' to a healthcare provider. 'A heart transplant is going to be based on the overall outcome and care that you provide for that patient,'" he said.
Obama sees waste in the private plans that contract with Medicare to manage the treatment of a quarter of its recipients - about 10 million seniors. Studies show those plans cost the government roughly 13 percent more than traditional medicine. "It doesn't help seniors get any better. It's not improving our health care system. It's just a give-away," Obama said. | |
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November 23rd, 2008, 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by evereddie Pickel, I am very glad it helped you but you didn't anwer my question. Whether you feel it right now or care to know, Medicare like all other government programs is in big rouble. Here it is directly.... How Obama And McCain Differ On Medicare, CBS Evening News: How The Candidates Propose To Fix The Ailing Program - CBS News
"Both Sens. Barack Obama and John McCain concede Medicare is in trouble.
"By 2019, there will be no money left!" McCain has said.
He blames bloated bureaucracy. Arguing doctors and clinics should get lump-sum payments for quality care, instead of being paid for individual tests and treatments.
"What about the idea of saying, 'OK,' to a healthcare provider. 'A heart transplant is going to be based on the overall outcome and care that you provide for that patient,'" he said.
Obama sees waste in the private plans that contract with Medicare to manage the treatment of a quarter of its recipients - about 10 million seniors. Studies show those plans cost the government roughly 13 percent more than traditional medicine. "It doesn't help seniors get any better. It's not improving our health care system. It's just a give-away," Obama said. |
"Pickel, I am very glad it helped you "
Much appreciated
However, on the flip side, It keeps a lot of folks from getting in any worse condition than they are now. If Bush can piss away BILLIONS of mine and your money to, for instance Halliburton &
Blackwater USA, I wouldn't care how much waste or how much of a "give away" Medicare might be.. People ARE being HELPED. I'm the proof of the pudding. My wife still has a husband. My daughter still has a father and my grand daughter still has her "Popa" How many wives and daughters and grand children will looking at a picture or a Silver Star or teared stained letter this Thanksgiving ?????
Try to look at the humanistic side and be a little more empathetic .
BTW, I voted for Ralph. I will NEVER trust or believe ANYTHING any politician says, especially Obombma, much less "Turn his back on the Vets" McCain  | |
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November 24th, 2008, 12:04 AM
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There's nothing socialized about it, basically the government set up an insurance company that everyone pays into
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Private health insurance is still available if you want it.
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but, you are still required to pay into the national plan. So what end's up happening is you end up paying twice for actual treatment, similar to how school systems work: you pay taxes for local schools, then you send your kids to private school because you actually care that they receive a great education.
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November 24th, 2008, 12:07 AM
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Empathy is for the weak...
On a more serious note; There is nothing wrong with paying Blackwater, there is however something wrong with Socializing Healthcare, we have some of the best doctors in the world and that would be thrown away by socializing healhcare.
On a less serious note; This Genocide cannot be left to continue!!! (completely unrelated to this thread)  | |
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November 24th, 2008, 12:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Disley There's nothing socialized about it, basically the government set up an insurance company that everyone pays into | There's only one problem with that disley. Nobody pays into it voluntarily. The government takes your money for that insurance program whether you like it or not.
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November 24th, 2008, 12:56 AM
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The fundamentals at work are nationalizing health care, which will be hugely expensive, combined with eliminating the tax benefits of 401's to complete the socialist transformation.
This gives the government entire control of your health and retirement - a huge bundle of money to allocate to friendly industries.
I can definitely see huge unemployment coming out of this due to underfunding of investment necessary to create jobs and businesses to pay these taxes. | |
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November 24th, 2008, 01:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Shipuuden Empathy is for the weak...
On a more serious note; There is nothing wrong with paying Blackwater, there is however something wrong with Socializing Healthcare, we have some of the best doctors in the world and that would be thrown away by socializing healhcare.
On a less serious note; This Genocide cannot be left to continue!!! (completely unrelated to this thread) | The years WILL change your attitude. Hoping you get some when you need it the most. Life has many twists and turns. The unexpected is just waiting. It can hit without warning. Remember, it was the Pickel who told you | |
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