A Republican accidentally tells the truth

[Disley]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atomic Rooster

There's only one problem with that disley. Nobody pays into it voluntarily. The government takes your money for that insurance program whether you like it or not.

And no one complains about paying it, of course there's not many Americans here, maybe thats why.
Plus it's tax deductible.

[Atomic Rooster]

That's because they don't know any better.

[Disley]

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony_j15

and...that's not socialism? Unless someone changed the definition, you just defined socialism.

but, you are still required to pay into the national plan. So what end's up happening is you end up paying twice for actual treatment, similar to how school systems work: you pay taxes for local schools, then you send your kids to private school because you actually care that they receive a great education.

The analogy between medicine and schools isn't the same.
If you need a bypass operation here you get the same doctor who would be treating a private patient, the operation is done in the same hospital, operating theatre with the same staff and equipment. In a private school here it cost $10,000 to $20,000 a term, you may get better teachers, you do get better school buildings, a couple of swimming pools, archery, rowing and lots of other things you don't get at a public school.
Private insurance is tax deductible as is the medicare levy, which is 2.5% of everyones gross income.
The best way to find out if the system you have is better, is to have a look around the world at the countries with a universal health scheme, and see if any of them have ever gone back to the type of health care available in the states.
If you suggested it, they'd think you were mad.

[Disley]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atomic Rooster

That's because they don't know any better.

It was introduced in 1973, I remember before it was introduced, when we had a similar system as you have and so would everyone here over fifty.
I don't hear anyone wanting to go back to the way it was in the past.
We've had both, it's obviously you who don't know any better.

[Chuckiechan]

Quote:

Remember, it was the Pickel who told you

and also remember it was Chuckiechan who told you that when health care is rationed as it will be in a socialized system, old people do not get kidney transplants. It's not cost effective. Your Uncle Pickel has private insurance.

[Shipuuden]

If these systems are so good, then why do the rich goto private medical facilities, or come to the United States? The answer is simple Because countries with socialized healthcare have shitty doctors compared to a free market healthcare system.

Now Good Day...

[Disley]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shipuuden

If these systems are so good, then why do the rich goto private medical facilities, or come to the United States? The answer is simple Because countries with socialized healthcare have shitty doctors compared to a free market healthcare system.

Now Good Day...

And you know everything.
It's one of the talents of your age group.
If what you say is true...
There must be no time to treat you poor people, with all the worlds rich coming to America, because it's the only country in the world with doctors that are any good.

[aldtech]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuckiechan

and also remember it was Chuckiechan who told you that when health care is rationed as it will be in a socialized system, old people do not get kidney transplants. It's not cost effective. Your Uncle Pickel has private insurance.

Rationed health care - where do you come up with this bull shit. You peddle nothing but fear and for what? - Something you have no clue about judging by your posts.

Let me tell you something about rationed health care. A few years ago, my mother in law needed a liver transplant and her private insurance company refused to cover it because it was "not cost affective". She turned to Medicare and they not only covered it but put her on a fast track to get it done as soon as possible which happened within a couple of months. So if you want to scare people you would be better suited to use the current medical insurance scam system we have as proof of a corrupt medical system.

/al

[zepper]

Well, the French socialized "care" managed to kill off 10,000 (never heard the actual final count at least partly because socialists always try to hide their failures) or so of its old folks one Summer recently. Think about it. Socialism requires perfect people to work or ones that are all the same (if they aren't perfect or all the same, which they can never be, then they have to be made the same by force (the only tool of gov't)).

.bh.

[tony_j15]

Quote:

The best way to find out if the system you have is better, is to have a look around the world at the countries with a universal health scheme, and see if any of them have ever gone back to the type of health care available in the states.

Of course. No one doesn't want a free lunch.

To be honest, I'm for nationalized health care, but I have yet to have seen it implemented in way that will not (in the long run) end up over-burdening the tax-payers and lead to a collapse of the economy (worst case) and deteriorate quality of service (best case).