A Republican accidentally tells the truth

[zen]

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Originally Posted by aldtech

Rationed health care - where do you come up with this bull shit. You peddle nothing but fear and for what? - Something you have no clue about judging by your posts.

Let me tell you something about rationed health care. A few years ago, my mother in law needed a liver transplant and her private insurance company refused to cover it because it was "not cost affective". She turned to Medicare and they not only covered it but put her on a fast track to get it done as soon as possible which happened within a couple of months. So if you want to scare people you would be better suited to use the current medical insurance scam system we have as proof of a corrupt medical system.

/al

Did you forget the part where Medicare is running out of money?

[Shipuuden]

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Originally Posted by Disley

And you know everything.
It's one of the talents of your age group.
If what you say is true...
There must be no time to treat you poor people, with all the worlds rich coming to America, because it's the only country in the world with doctors that are any good.

I said Good Day!!

Your reply was
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Can you prove to me that the US does not have the best doctors in the world?

[aldtech]

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Originally Posted by zepper

Well, the French socialized "care" managed to kill off 10,000 (never heard the actual final count at least partly because socialists always try to hide their failures) or so of its old folks one Summer recently. Think about it. Socialism requires perfect people to work or ones that are all the same (if they aren't perfect or all the same, which they can never be, then they have to be made the same by force (the only tool of gov't)).

.bh.

And here is another fear monger trying to blame France's Medicaid system for the freak deadly heatwave they had a few years ago. Do you actually think people are so easily fooled by the irresponsible comments you make? God help us if you/they are.

/al

[aldtech]

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Originally Posted by tony_j15

Of course. No one doesn't want a free lunch.

To be honest, I'm for nationalized health care, but I have yet to have seen it implemented in way that will not (in the long run) end up over-burdening the tax-payers and lead to a collapse of the economy (worst case) and deteriorate quality of service (best case).

Do you have any examples of where this has happened or is happening because I don't seem to see any of it in the news lately or in the recent past. Or is this just more opinionated fear?

/al

[Shipuuden]

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Originally Posted by aldtech

Do you have any examples of where this has happened or is happening because I don't seem to see any of it in the news lately or in the recent past. Or is this just more opinionated fear?

/al

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Despite spending more on health care than any other industrialized country in the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) except Iceland and Switzerland, Canada ranks poorly in several categories according to a new study by the Fraser Institute.

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Lack of access to machines also means longer waiting times for diagnostic assessment, and mirrors the longer waiting times for access to specialists and to treatment found in the comparative studies examined for this study.

[aldtech]

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Originally Posted by Shipuuden

Despite spending more on health care than any other industrialized country in the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) except Iceland and Switzerland, Canada ranks poorly in several categories according to a new study by the Fraser Institute.

<snip>

Lack of access to machines also means longer waiting times for diagnostic assessment, and mirrors the longer waiting times for access to specialists and to treatment found in the comparative studies examined for this study.

Thanks for the info but my request for link was in regards to countries going bankrupt as a direct result of centralized health care, not a request of an example of long access wait periods or someone's opinion of the service provided of another country's health care.

Running through todays American health care mine field can be just as frustrating if not worse than what our European counterparts experience IMO. Nothing different there, it just depends on who your health care provider is and how golden your plan is.

/al

[Shipuuden]

My dad was in a car accident 2 months after I was born, and his prescriptions cost over $6000 a month now, if it was not for my mother's employer health care he would have probably died 6 years ago, and medicare/medical would not cover any of his prescriptions.

[zepper]

Quote:

Originally Posted by aldtech

And here is another fear monger trying to blame France's Medicaid system for the freak deadly heatwave they had a few years ago. Do you actually think people are so easily fooled by the irresponsible comments you make? God help us if you/they are.

/al

Not the freak heatwave, the fact that the gov't workers who were supposed to be "caring" for the elders were ALL on vacation (and probably "out to lunch" the rest of the time). Everyone knows that nature can be treacherous and seemingly random - bureaucracies just can't deal with it.
. Socialized health care falsely leads the people to believe they can transfer their RESPONSIBILITY to gov't smurfs - the fact is that they can't. Gov't promises and then almost never DOES. And only idiots believe that it can or will. Sorry, aldtech, but my comments are right on the money! It may seem to work in small (less than the metro pop. of one of our larger cities), fairly homogenous countries, for a while, but the frog gets cooked eventually. .bh.

PS: enjoy your socialism while you can - it follows the "how to cook a frog" scheme relative to freedom (which is always the "frog" in the socialist pot)...

[Chuckiechan]

In addition to having more and more people treated by fewer and fewer doctors, getting paid less and less, you forgot to mention the 15 million illegal aliens who will be lining up with you.

Have you ever been to a big city Aldtech?

Or do you just stay in New Hampshire where men were men and sheep are nervous?

[aldtech]

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Originally Posted by Chuckiechan

In addition to having more and more people treated by fewer and fewer doctors, getting paid less and less, you forgot to mention the 15 million illegal aliens who will be lining up with you.

Have you ever been to a big city Aldtech?

Or do you just stay in New Hampshire where men were men and sheep are nervous?

That's Texas my friend - where men are men and the sheep are nervous.

Big city - I don't know - how do these rank? Boston (no fair, its in my back yard), New York, Syracuse, Buffalo, Philli, Cleveland, Baltimore, DC, Atlanta, Seattle, Dallas, San Antonio, Austin, Houston, Hartford, Louisville Ky, Memphis, Indianapolis, I'm getting a head ache trying to think of more in the US so lets go over seas.

London, Paris, Barcelona, Munich, Innsbruck to Garmisch and all the little ski holes in between, Nuremberg, Wurzberg, Schweinfurt, Frankfurt, Darmstadt, Hamburg, Bremen, Berlin (heck, at this point lets just call all of the major cities and a lot of the minor cities in Germany thanks to a few German rail passes).

Lets go further east - Kuwait, Hiroshima, Kyoto, Osaka and lets not forget Canada - Toronto, Quebec, and Montreal.

And there is a crap load more that is just not registering right now so I think I covered enough, what do you think?

I've been around, how about you?


And by the way, during the entire 6+ years I spent in Germany and with all of the German friends I've had I can not remember a single instance of when one of them has mentioned how their medical services sucked. But through my entire 12+ years in the Army I have talked with a lot of spouses who have repeatedly said how American hospitals and our healthcare system sucks. Except for those from Korea and the Philippines, we were a step up for them.

/al