A Republican accidentally tells the truth

[J.Pope]

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Originally Posted by aldtech

Do you have any examples of where this has happened or is happening because I don't seem to see any of it in the news lately or in the recent past. Or is this just more opinionated fear?

/al

Why is it that you scream fearmonger or hatemonger when someone points out the failures of socialism?

[J.Pope]

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Originally Posted by aldtech

Thanks for the info but my request for link was in regards to countries going bankrupt as a direct result of centralized health care, not a request of an example of long access wait periods or someone's opinion of the service provided of another country's health care.

If you overburden the taxpayer things start going down hill. Look at Russia. The collapse of the Soviet Union is a perfect example of why we shouldn't implement Socialism, even in health care. Our current government health program is already threatening to go broke within the next 10.

[aldtech]

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Originally Posted by J.Pope

Why is it that you scream fearmonger or hatemonger when someone points out the failures of socialism?

I am quite open to a coherent conversation so why don't you put a link in here exemplifying where another country's centralized health care has bankrupted their nation like I asked, seems like no one can. Now don't be pointing off to Russia or some other failed communist state but a current European country that you all seem to like to bash as a quasi-socialist government that has a government run health care program.

You know, as adamant of an anti socialist policy anything that some of you are I'm surprised that none of you have not sued your local schools because they have social study classes.

/al

[aldtech]

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Originally Posted by J.Pope

If you overburden the taxpayer things start going down hill. Look at Russia. The collapse of the Soviet Union is a perfect example of why we shouldn't implement Socialism, even in health care. Our current government health program is already threatening to go broke within the next 10.

Ha Ha - I thought that's where you would go, like a failed communist government has any relevance to our discussion on a more centralized health care system. Don't get me wrong, I do understand your fear of "socialism" but to me I have had a long standing belief that as great as our country is/was/will be again (pick whichever one you like) I think it is time to guarantee health care to everyone with out having to fear the bankruptcy factor. When hospitals and insurance companies continue put a price tag on our health verses their profit margin we the people will continue to loose until that mold is broken.

As the financial institutions have recently proven, given the opportunity to choose profit over regulation they continuously choose to do what's right for them (profit) instead safeguarding the publics trust and finances. So goes the financial institutions so goes the health insurance companies. The insurance companies continue to drive up prices while denying service and claims until the customer shows up with the better lawyer. It should not be that way and yet every year some politician in bed with the insurance companies is trying to connive a way to short change the public and limit their ways to address recourse.

And this is the system that you and people like you want to keep on defending and propping up all under the guise of free capitalism. Well capitalism is fine and dandy, if I make a cookie that you like and buy, well thank you for your patronage. If you don't like you don't have to buy it, the cookie is not a necessity. But health care on the other hand is a necessity of life and the fact that people are allowed to put a price on basic and critical health care as a way to regulate who gets it and who doesn't, well that is wrong. And that's my point.

/al

And by the way - it seems that by Obama's win that most people are willing to pay more.