Thread: Another Abortion Doctor Killed
May 31st, 2009, 03:37 PM #1
Another Abortion Doctor KilledWhen those who believe in any of the available gods understand why they deny all other gods, they should come to understand why atheists lack a belief in theirs.
May 31st, 2009, 04:01 PM #2Unofficial TechIMO record holder for the number of times being added and removed from beemer's ignore list.
May 31st, 2009, 04:23 PM #3
Notice that the Operation Rescue zealots who are "shocked, shocked" that such a thing could happen won't even refer to him as Dr. Tiller.In judging a two-person singing contest, never award the prize to the second soprano having heard only the first.
-- Francis Bator
May 31st, 2009, 05:14 PM #4
Abortion foes fear backlash to Tiller's murder
NEW YORK (AP) — Anti-abortion leaders voiced concern Sunday that the Obama administration and other Democrats may try to capitalize on the murder of Dr. George Tiller to defuse the abortion issue in upcoming Supreme Court confirmation hearings.
Many anti-abortion groups condemned the killing of Tiller, a prominent abortion provider who was shot dead at his church in Wichita, Kan. But they expressed concern that abortion-rights activists would use the occasion to brand the entire anti-abortion movement as extremist.
They also worried that there would now be an effort to stifle anti-abortion viewpoints during questioning of Supreme Court nominee Sonia Sotomayor. Her exact views on abortion aren't known, but conservatives fear she supports abortion rights.
Said the Rev. Patrick Mahoney, an anti-abortion activist: "No one should use this tragedy for political gain."
Tiller, one the few American doctors specializing in late-term abortions, had been the target of repeated protests and harassment for many years, and he was wounded by gunfire from an anti-abortion activist in 1993.
"It is abhorrent that once again, individuals who oppose the right to choose have used violence to try to advance their extreme anti-choice agenda," said Vicki Saporta, president and CEO of the National Abortion Federation.
While many anti-abortion leaders swiftly issued statements condemning the shooting, their expressions of dismay were not echoed by Randall Terry, a veteran anti-abortion activist whose protests have often targeted Tiller.
"George Tiller was a mass murderer and we cannot stop saying that," Terry said. "He was an evil man — his hands were covered with blood."
Terry said he was now concerned that the Obama administration "will use Tiller's killing to intimidate pro-lifers into surrendering our most effective rhetoric and actions."In judging a two-person singing contest, never award the prize to the second soprano having heard only the first.
-- Francis Bator
May 31st, 2009, 05:40 PM #5was shot and killed a short time ago during a church service where he was acting as an usher
May 31st, 2009, 06:19 PM #6
hypocrisy on who's part, exactly, surreal? Sounds like hypocrisy all the way around - both parties being guilty of taking extreme liberty with the edict "Thou shalt not kill" - and each holding some sense of rationale for their actions.Usually, terrible things that are done with the excuse that progress requires them are not really progress, but just terrible things.
May 31st, 2009, 08:27 PM #7
Yeah, it's hypocrisy all the way around, except that abortion is legal and shooting someone to death isn't.Conservatives: "If the facts disagree with our opinion, ignore the facts -- or at least misrepresent them."
May 31st, 2009, 08:34 PM #8
I wasn't talking about the legality... merely addressing the charge of hypocrisy... which was indeed all the way around.Usually, terrible things that are done with the excuse that progress requires them are not really progress, but just terrible things.
May 31st, 2009, 08:48 PM #9In judging a two-person singing contest, never award the prize to the second soprano having heard only the first.
-- Francis Bator
May 31st, 2009, 08:57 PM #10
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May 31st, 2009, 09:16 PM #11
Hypocrisy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaIn psychology, hypocritical behavior is closely related to the fundamental attribution error: individuals are more likely to explain their own actions by their environment, yet they attribute the actions of others to 'innate characteristics', thus leading towards judging others while justifying ones' own actions.
May 31st, 2009, 09:36 PM #12
That's the definition I know and love.
Honestly killing the doctor is a little extreme and I don't see how killing him solves anything. I mean killing people hasn't really got any kind of movement much progress in the long run.
June 1st, 2009, 12:31 AM #13
I am wondering if someone had a grudge against him for an issue other than abortion, unlike how the news media as well as the majority of you automatically assume it is.
Its funny how no motive has been found yet some automatically assume one. He was a human like all of us, and had a life beyond his medical practices. Maybe he pissed someone off in a bar...Super Gerbil
June 1st, 2009, 02:06 AM #14When those who believe in any of the available gods understand why they deny all other gods, they should come to understand why atheists lack a belief in theirs.
June 1st, 2009, 02:23 AM #15
There is no special agenda or purpose for you to delight in when one "type" does it.
Most murders in the world you can fit into a catch all that is real simple.
A husband MURDERS his wife. Most common murder.
Your deleted up sick ass tries to gauge severity of murder based on political view.
MOST ESPECIALLY IF THERE IS ANY CHRISTIANITY INVOLVED.
MURDER IS MURDER...The individuals that commit this most horrible of acts are MURDERERS.
You do agree that MURDER is the killing of a Human Being by another Human Being right?
NO YOU DO NOT....one must fit your concept....
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June 1st, 2009, 02:49 AM #16
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June 1st, 2009, 06:25 AM #18Conservatives: "If the facts disagree with our opinion, ignore the facts -- or at least misrepresent them."
June 1st, 2009, 08:02 AM #19
i was more aiming at the pro life crowd here, they call it murder without knowing if it's actually alive. that's why they should define life and then judge if it's murder or not
IMO it's not because that thing is not a living human being and if you call killing something that could become human as murder, every woman murders every month and males probably a lot more often (even while creating new life)
just because religious people believe in a "soul" they call it murder, from a scientific point of view (even philosophically) abortion is not murder.
but before you even try to use your religious mumble jumble to prove your point, show me that a soul exists, if you can i may consider abortion to be murder
June 1st, 2009, 09:50 AM #20
From Mark Kleiman:A reader points out that the law making it a federal crime to interfere with reproductive health services has what seems be a "balancing" provision extending the same protection to places of worship. In each case, the crime becomes a capital one if death results from a violation.
Thus the assassin of Dr. George Tiller potentially faces not one, but two, capital charges under Federal law: once for killing an abortion provider and again for doing so in a church.
Personally, though I have no strong principled objection to capital punishment, in this case I'd be against it. As William III said about one of the non-juring bishops (I'm paraphrasing from memory here; Macaulay tells the story) "He is determined to become a martyr, and I am determined to frustrate him." A life sentence will do just fine, thanks.
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