June 10th, 2009, 08:30 PM #1
The Obama administration grants Miranda rights to detainees in Afghanistan
Rogers, a former FBI special agent and U.S. Army officer, says the Obama administration has not briefed Congress on the new policy. "I was a little surprised to find it taking place when I showed up because we hadn't been briefed on it, I didn't know about it. We're still trying to get to the bottom of it, but it is clearly a part of this new global justice initiative."
That effort, which elevates the FBI and other law enforcement agencies and diminishes the role of intelligence and military officials, was described in a May 28 Los Angeles Times article.
The FBI and Justice Department plan to significantly expand their role in global counter-terrorism operations, part of a U.S. policy shift that will replace a CIA-dominated system of clandestine detentions and interrogations with one built around transparent investigations and prosecutions.
Under the "global justice" initiative, which has been in the works for several months, FBI agents will have a central role in overseas counter-terrorism cases. They will expand their questioning of suspects and evidence-gathering to try to ensure that criminal prosecutions are an option, officials familiar with the effort said."The world burns while Obama Tweets."
June 10th, 2009, 08:44 PM #2
The FBI does not have the authority to arrest a terrorist on Afghanistan soil let alone grant them Constitutional rights. If the President thinks he can invent that power then he has a sad grasp on his powers.
That is what happens when you read someone Miranda rights. You are officially acknowledging that they have the rights of an American citizen under the Constitution.
I will bet the Attorney General has told him he is on very slippery ice.
I cannot wait until all Army units are taught to be policemen.
We have a massive mess coming to our courts that will take years to clear. As every ultra left legal group ties up our courts with several thousand motions on behalf of TERRORISTS that do not have the rights of an American citizen.
Lets change all the laws of the nation and the laws of war just to placate a left incapable of ever defending a nation.Obama Lies
June 10th, 2009, 08:56 PM #3
June 10th, 2009, 10:05 PM #4
Enemy combatants being read the US Miranda warning? WTF?! Does he truly think he's a community organizer now on the global scale? Too much Hawaii-Five-Oh?
And we all wonder why Limbaugh is having a field day with skyrocketing ratings. He doesn't have to dredge up anything when it's being fed daily to the sheeple real-time! Just sit back and comment on each day's proclamations. The Maytag repair man is jealous.
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June 11th, 2009, 09:32 AM #5
Remember when we were tongue-in-cheek arguing about mirandizing terrorists on the battlefield, and our local lefties here said we were being ridiculous?
Well, lefty friends - your jaws should be on the floor about now.Usually, terrible things that are done with the excuse that progress requires them are not really progress, but just terrible things.
June 11th, 2009, 09:46 AM #6
It starts this way.....BANG...."Bet your ass is silent now."
We do not risk any soldier in any way shape or form to capture these people anymore. That is the legacy of the left in this war. You see we are never required to say something silly like "Halt...Police" You can say soldiers on a battlefield do have the right to be silent.
Modified rights of a terrorist that just got through killing Afghani civilians....."You have the right to be DEAD, You have the right to remain DEAD."Obama Lies
June 12th, 2009, 12:45 AM #7
Yet again, liberals cause more death and mayhem in their quest for ...
peace? no.... that's not it...
selective justice? maybe....
utopia? nah - they know that doesn't work...
what is their quest again??
...power.Usually, terrible things that are done with the excuse that progress requires them are not really progress, but just terrible things.
June 12th, 2009, 01:09 AM #8
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This is an act of lunacy.You people are you satisfied with this kind of world? I'm not.
June 13th, 2009, 10:14 AM #9
"... high value detainees captured and held at U.S. detention facilities in Afghanistan,"
I thought we went through this a little while ago. U.S. detention facilities are under U.S. control and are considered U.S. soil. Bring the prisoners to a Afghan detension facility and the problem is solved.“Religion: Together we can find the cure.”
June 13th, 2009, 11:14 AM #10
This is the problem:
- Under the Bush Administration, suspects were gathered, interrogated and held indefinitely.
- The Supreme Court said that policy was illegal and mandated due process trials.
- However, the Bush Administration and CIA so botched the evidence gathering that there is insufficent evidence to win a conviction.
Thus, this is Obama's policy:The FBI and Justice Department plan to significantly expand their role in global counter-terrorism operations, part of a U.S. policy shift that will replace a CIA-dominated system of clandestine detentions and interrogations with one built around transparent investigations and prosecutions.
Under the "global justice" initiative, which has been in the works for several months, FBI agents will have a central role in overseas counter-terrorism cases. They will expand their questioning of suspects and evidence-gathering to try to ensure that criminal prosecutions are an option, officials familiar with the effort said. linkConservatives: "If the facts disagree with our opinion, ignore the facts -- or at least misrepresent them."
June 13th, 2009, 11:24 AM #11
For your information there is no US law or international law that makes a detention facility on a host nations soil US soil. That is a fantastic stretch anyway you look at it. The only land inside a countries borders that can be considered anothers soil is a diplomatic mission such as an embassy or land leased to another nation such as Quantamino.
You may try as much as you may to dispute that but the Afghani government by international law can take that facility away from us any time they please. Unlike an embassy I guarantee you the only Afghani land that that government has given us as US soil status is our embassy there. I do not care what a US court has the balls to say, The Afghani people have not given us the right to make US soil out every facility we wish to build. They are all temprorary.
Any detention facility in Afghanistan is also used by the Afghanistan Army also. I love the way you have twisted one court desicion to mean the US has the right to declare other nation's soveriegn soil ours. Good comedy.Obama Lies
June 13th, 2009, 08:26 PM #12
June 13th, 2009, 09:23 PM #13
We do not and have not planned to try the ones in custody outside of Qitmo, if several of us get our way they will be turned over to the Afghanistan government soon for them to judge how to handle them.
It cracks me up to hear from someone where is my evidence or another soldiers evidence. Excuse the hell out of me but the bastards I dealt with were firing at us. We were able to capture them later.
FOR THE LAST TIME FOR YOU LIBERAL KNUCKLEHEADS, We are not Police, We do not stop in the middle of a damn battlefield and have CSI come in and gather evidence, We do not read our prisoners Miranda rights and we damn sure did not expect some homespun idiots to require from us what has never been required from us in our entire nations history.
You guys have assigned rights to these people that do not exist. The conventions allow us to execute these people on the spot. It is our law that our military does not engage in the wanton killing of the enemy that has quit to resist.
We no longer risk any of our people in any way shape or form to capture these people. We will drop a bomb on them, fire on them to kill.
This is your guys legacy. We do not by the international conventions have to try to take prisoners of armed men firing at us. Again we are not the POLICE. Quit expecting us to act like them.
Since when have prisoners, captured by the US military ever been given a civilian trial? NEVER
This is a military matter that has been twisted into everyone in the world has the same rights as our citizens. Tell me how you select a jury of their peers for a Taliban that murdered civilians in Afghanistan. OUR COURTS HAVE NO JURISDICTION. The Military has been the one to handle these type people.
Just as we handled war crimes of Germany and Japan, there was no Supreme Court involvement.
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June 13th, 2009, 11:32 PM #14
I always thought that on the battlefield, why weren't they put before a military court and executed if their crimes were of the nature that deserved the death penalty. Then we wouldn't have needed Gitmo and all the negative publicity it has generated. Are the politicians running EVERYTHING
June 14th, 2009, 12:04 AM #15
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Under the GC and The International Law of Land Warfare . . . the only rights these prisoners have is immediate execution by firing squad. The only reason that they were taken prisoner and held, was someone, (someone/group/organization) in our Government decided to direct our military to capture and hold. That's the reason we're now in this mess.
June 14th, 2009, 01:17 AM #16
Plus, a bayonet in the temple eliminates the need to transport them, feed them, and put up with their Koran crap.
I mean US soldiers used gloves so as to not "soil" there Korans. Just when and why did we decide to call ourselves "dirty" and not "clean" enough to handle a religious book. I always thought this was way too strange.
I mean do the cops in the USA have some special handling ritual for Hells Angles motorcycles?"The world burns while Obama Tweets."
June 14th, 2009, 01:25 AM #17
My response for Pickel and Beem me up Scotty is real simple.
Remember that Afghanistan is a N-A-T-O mission.....
Whole set of rules unto itself......
Remember something else these people who think our courts have jurisdiction continuously ignore......
This is the soil of the Afghanistan people who have freely elected a new government......Perhaps they have their own rules how our NATO forces will act.
Beemer says to me our detention facility is US soil without knowing what agreement we have with that government.....
Do you know that the Afghani government did not give us permission to have exclusive bases where we could do anything we pleased?
They have inspected every nook and cranny of our facilities on a regular basis.
Does Beemy and Pickel think that an Afghanistan Muslim nation would allow us a hidey hole where we can commit atrocities against their fellow Muslims? Ummmmmm remember the Soviets?
DO THEY HAVE ANY COMPREHENSION OF HOW THE PEOPLE OF AFGHANISTAN TRUST OUTSIDERS?
I learned better than that moronic nonsense in the spring of 1984.....
My personal friendships that I earned with Afghani Chiefs in their fight against the Soviets led to my reactivation.
The Afghani fighter can take on 3 Iraqis before breakfast and have 6 for lunch before this war started.
I absolutely adore the Afghanistan people and only an ignorant shit thinks that somehow these people have ever surrendered their rights to their land.
In modern warfare these people were the ones to give a complex fight to a Greek by the name of Alexander. (modern meaning recorded)
Damn if we aint in the same complex fight.....Obama Lies
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