Loophole for illegals in 'Obamacare'?

**pickel** · July 26th, 2009, 12:47 PM

Loophole for illegals in 'Obamacare'?

NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS.

Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.

But Stuart Bybee, spokesman for Rep. Dean Heller, R-Nev., told WND restrictions on illegal alien enrollment are not clearly enforced under the House bill.

"Essentially, it's just a very vague provision, and it really doesn't have any enforcement capability to it," Bybee said. "It just says if you go in and claim that you are a citizen, that's good enough."

http://edlabor.house.gov/documents/1...ext-071409.pdf

Got a couple days to read thru this double talk

To provide affordable, quality health care for all Americans and reduce
the growth in health care spending,

"and for other purposes"

I feel there's someone standing behind me. An evildoer,,perhaps

**Shipuuden** · July 26th, 2009, 02:22 PM

"First of all, I'd like to create a situation where we're dealing with illegal immigration, so that we don't have illegal immigrants," he said. "And we've got legal residents or citizens who are eligible for the plan. And I want a comprehensive immigration plan that creates a pathway to achieve that."

So basically he want's to give them all free citizenship and healthcare...
Anyone wanna bet that there is going to be an exodus from Mexico to the US, unlike any seen before?

**JRB3** · July 26th, 2009, 02:47 PM

Unfortunately you don't have a monopoly on this in the US, consider these short article links:

Failed asylum seekers to get free NHS care:
Failed asylum seekers to get free NHS care - Telegraph

Related:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-1million.html

Illegal immigrants should be allowed to stay in Britain under amnesty, says influential think tank| News | This is London

Amnesty on illegal immigrants is 'worth £6bn to UK' - This Britain, UK - The Independent

Britain owes these immigrants nothing. My descendants worked hard developing this country and fought wars for this country and do you know who they were working and fighting for? Thats right me and my children not Mr Im E Grant and his seed.

It makes me sick and if it were up to me i'd send the buggers back.

**Gomer** · July 26th, 2009, 02:59 PM

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**MeowsterMew** · July 29th, 2009, 10:32 PM

Originally Posted by Shipuuden

So basically he want's to give them all free citizenship and healthcare...
Anyone wanna bet that there is going to be an exodus from Mexico to the US, unlike any seen before?

I dont understand this stance. You dont want illegal immigrants but you dont want to make it easier for them to become legal contributing TAX PAYING citizens of this country? You will never ever ever solve the problem with that stance.

The problem with illegal immigrants is the process in which to become a legal citizen, (especially mexico). It can take a decade just to acquire a visa number, assuming you have the money and documents to qualify. Then its another 5 years in the states before you can apply for actual legal citizenship.

As of right now we are paying for those who arent insured, illegal or not, monetarily competent or not, and have been for decades. It effects us whether we like it or not.

An article in the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons states that the burden of illegal immigrants on the health care system in the US has forced many hospitals to close due to unpaid bills and the unfunded mandate of Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA). Between 1993 and 2003, 60 hospitals in California alone were forced to close, and many others had to reduce staff or implement other procedures which reduced the level of service they could provide. The article attributes these closings mainly to illegal immigration.

Health care, be it public or private, is not the cause of illegal immigration and, therefore, can not be expected to be the solution. But if we can create a situation that makes it easier to become a contributing citizen i am all for it.

**Shipuuden** · July 29th, 2009, 10:37 PM

Every single illegal alien is a criminal, they are breaking the law and they deserve nothing...

They do not deserve citizenship, they should all be deported back to their country.

**Chuckiechan** · July 29th, 2009, 10:46 PM

You think it's bad now, wait until all the sick illegals come flowing over into San Diego for "free" medical treatment.

The problem with illegals is that they are poor and are going to stay that way, since they are in the business of working cheap. They hold down the wages of legal citizens.

Construction wages are lower in real dollars than they were in the '70's due to illegals taking over the workforce.

It's so bad, that when housing in California crashed, the unemployment rate didn't budge for six months since the illegals aren't counted since they can't draw unemployment.

**MTAtech** · July 30th, 2009, 08:07 AM

Originally Posted by Shipuuden

Every single illegal alien is a criminal, they are breaking the law and they deserve nothing...

They do not deserve citizenship, they should all be deported back to their country.

Except that our economy depends upon them. Who do you think picks your vegetables, cuts your lawn, packs the meat that you BBQ? There may be benefits to removing illegals, such as raising the wages of those that are legal, but I can just hear the complaints about price increases.

**SiliconJon** · July 30th, 2009, 09:20 AM

Oh, what to do. Bring them into the system so we can tax them and essentially make them a part of the buffer to cover the costs of such a healthcare system so they're not freeloading? Kick them out of the country to prevent them from freeloading onto such a healthcare system, and also open up more job opportunities for legals? Though, MTA, I don't see the latter increasing wages, but in fact decreasing them, as their cost or standard of living is lower which is why they work for less. Granted either option will raise the cost of these working positions in our economy, thus pumping an at least minor inflationary effect through the system landing on the consumer, only to be countered with deflationary effect on the labor end - both to be met somewhere in the middle.

Well, anyway, any "healthcare reform" that involves a third party insurance rather than just the government for the statistical financial buffer is going to be a rape of the people. Insurance companies are big enough frauds and drains, god help us when they become manditory after such a performance history.

**Chuckiechan** · July 30th, 2009, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by MTA

but I can just hear the complaints about price increases.

It amazes me that principaled liberals don't have a problem with instutionalizing poverty for the sake of "lower pricing". What's wrong with paying legal citizens a higher wage?

Yes, wages will go up. And the recipients of those wages will live a little better. Maybe even get off welfare.

It sounds like you are in favor of "outsourcing" America's economy to illegal aliens within the country.

Why do we allow illegals to hang around Home Depot to work for $ 50.00 a day? I'll give you one reason: You are afraid to hire the college kid around the corner for fear he will step on a nail and sue you.

I obviously don't understand how liberals think. If they think at all.

**mad1** · July 30th, 2009, 10:31 AM

Originally Posted by pickel

Loophole for illegals in 'Obamacare'?

NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS.

Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.

But Stuart Bybee, spokesman for Rep. Dean Heller, R-Nev., told WND restrictions on illegal alien enrollment are not clearly enforced under the House bill.

"Essentially, it's just a very vague provision, and it really doesn't have any enforcement capability to it," Bybee said. "It just says if you go in and claim that you are a citizen, that's good enough."

http://edlabor.house.gov/documents/1...ext-071409.pdf

Got a couple days to read thru this double talk

To provide affordable, quality health care for all Americans and reduce
the growth in health care spending,

"and for other purposes"

I feel there's someone standing behind me. An evildoer,,perhaps

What a surprise.

**Creatures** · July 30th, 2009, 10:51 AM

yeah obama wants to destroy america because he is a terrorist from kenya under the payroll of al-qaeda

Creatures

**MTAtech** · July 30th, 2009, 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by Chuckiechan

It amazes me that principaled liberals don't have a problem with instutionalizing poverty for the sake of "lower pricing". What's wrong with paying legal citizens a higher wage?

You must be on drugs (or should be on prescribed ones.)

Liberals are the ones championing the minimum wage raises, while conservatives complain about how inflationary it will be. I think that I can speak for all liberals when I say that we don't have any problem with raising the standard of living of the poor and the working classes, even if it means higher prices.

**The Real Bingo** · July 30th, 2009, 11:50 AM

Originally Posted by MTAtech

I think that I can speak for all liberals when I say that we don't have any problem with raising the standard of living of the poor and the working classes, even if it means higher prices.

So how does that work? If I make $5k more per year because of some wage increase, but it costs me $5k more per year to live the way I was living, my standard of living hasn't increased. But I guess that's lib-o-nomics for you.

Re: original topic - obviously illegals will be covered. Once they become naturalized, they're gonna vote, and who better to vote for than the traitors who give 'em free health care?

They're already a drain on our system, but as usual, our leaders don't want to confront that problem - they think it'd be easier to just revamp the entire system. Kind of like having a leaky pipe that's flooding the house, and instead of fixing the pipe, the idiots build a new house.

**Shipuuden** · July 30th, 2009, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by MTAtech

Except that our economy depends upon them. Who do you think picks your vegetables, cuts your lawn, packs the meat that you BBQ? There may be benefits to removing illegals, such as raising the wages of those that are legal, but I can just hear the complaints about price increases.

There are plenty of people on welfare that could be made to do those jobs.
Want to stay on welfare? Go work picking vegetable in the field.

**mad1** · July 30th, 2009, 03:03 PM

Originally Posted by Shipuuden

There are plenty of people on welfare that could be made to do those jobs.
Want to stay on welfare? Go work picking vegetable in the field.

Sounds like a great idea. You want to get a paycheck you have to work. Refusing to work is an automatic disqualification for benefits. Work this job until you find something in your area of interest or expertise.

**Chuckiechan** · July 30th, 2009, 07:30 PM

. I think that I can speak for all liberals when I say that we don't have any problem with raising the standard of living of the poor and the working classes, even if it means higher prices.

But you don't seem to have a problem with "immigrants" coming in "doing jobs American's won't do" - at coolie wages.

In California, Mexicans are doing sheetrock for $ 8.50 an hour.

**pickel** · July 30th, 2009, 08:28 PM

Originally Posted by Chuckiechan

But you don't seem to have a problem with "immigrants" coming in "doing jobs American's won't do" - at coolie wages.

In California, Mexicans are doing sheetrock for $ 8.50 an hour.

If the guy IS legal, I have no problem with it. Admittedly, it cuts the throat of American workers, but with all the prejudice involved here, the guy's lucky to have a job at all.
If he's ILLEGAL, why don't you turn him in and have him deported. Love to see you on the news loading them into a cattle car on their way back to Mexico.