August 7th, 2009, 11:17 PM #1
Palin Says Obama's Plan to Overhaul Health Care is 'Evil'
Palin Says Obama's Plan to Overhaul Health Care is 'Evil' - Political News - FOXNews.com
"The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's 'death panel' so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their 'level of productivity in society,' whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil," Palin wrote.
"Let's stop and think and make our voices heard before it's too late," the posting said.
I reckon ,since she's not Governor any more and doesn't have to take drug tests, she'd found some really sweet herb. LMAO
Will she EVER go A W A Y...please
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Last edited by pickel; August 7th, 2009 at 11:21 PM.
August 8th, 2009, 03:06 AM #2
What's with the fetish for Sarah Palin(Ms, Piggy as you repeatedly say). She's a non-entity and non-player, yet you link her with GWB policies numerous times. Let it go.
I think you secretly have a hard-on for her sometimes, Pickel.
August 8th, 2009, 07:25 AM #3
"The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's 'death panel' so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their 'level of productivity in society,' whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil."
But I'm heartened by such talk because it means that the right-wing are employing these tactics because they're becoming more and more desperate. It's the same kind of extremist talk not heard since Ronald Reagan tried to defeat Medicare, as socialized medicine, 45 years ago.
We all see see how his fears can true, like the government telling doctors where to live and the government telling children what they can do for a living. It's nutty stuff.
Last edited by MTAtech; August 8th, 2009 at 07:39 AM.Conservatives: "If the facts disagree with our opinion, ignore the facts -- or at least misrepresent them."
August 8th, 2009, 08:38 AM #4
She's the George Wallace of the Great North. Radical and think she's right. She has the blessings of the Republicans without being directly connected with the party itself. A maverick, remember ???
Women ,the non thinking type, associate with her and feel her pain, with her child and the rejection by her daughter's beau , the father( the low life who run out on her baby and his child ) of her grand daughter . Empathy and sympathy are running wild. Like E.. F. Hutton, when she talks, people listen
Like Reagan, don't be deceived by her ACT. She's a good one and has writers that equal the best in Hollywood.
Toad..She is WOMAN and damn good looking (As long as she keeps her mouth shut ). In the words of Vladimir Nabokov" "Lolita, light of my life, fire of my loins.........
August 8th, 2009, 10:08 AM #5
It's amazing to me how much hatred she generates.
All she is saying is that if you add 40 million people, reduce the payments to cut costs, something has to give. And what will give is:
You'll have fewer doctors.
You'll wait longer - until it is too late.
You'll be told to go home and die, or live your last few years in a wheelchair so some illegal alien can get your transplant.
An what give is medical care to "marginal people" - those with birth defects, the retired with expensive needs, the elderly who are passed their productive years.
The real question is does anyone believe the classes I listed above will get a fair shake from Obamacare?Obama: The rich have the Federal Reserve and the poor have Harry Reid... LOL. Life really is unfair!
August 8th, 2009, 11:07 AM #6
She's trying to scare those that aren't sophisticated enough to see through the BS. (We know them as the Republican base.) It's the same scare tactics Reagan used in his recording above, when he said doctors will be forced to move by government bureaucrats and we won't have any freedoms. 45 years after Medicare passed I still feel like I have freedoms and so do my BMW-driving doctor friends.
Reagan was on the payroll of the AMA back then and wouldn't be surprised if Palin got herself some bucks from the insurance cos.Conservatives: "If the facts disagree with our opinion, ignore the facts -- or at least misrepresent them."
August 8th, 2009, 11:42 AM #7
Besides, those with means can always get any medical care they desire, anywhere in the world. Isn't that what free marketers like? The irrationality of the scare tactic arguments is just amazing!
There are valid arguments to be made against all the current proposals. Why can't the right just make those arguments and come back to the real world as serious people?Never send to know for whom the bell tolls . . .
August 8th, 2009, 02:24 PM #8What she said was there will be a 'death panel' comprised of bureaucrats who will decide based upon 'level of productivity in society,'
The bureaucrats will simply say that based on your age and expected life span, you are entitled to this much money spent on your care. They will refer you to "end of life" counseling if you are slow to take the hint.
They will weigh your age, the cost to treat you, and then decide what you will get. Or rather what they will spend. If you want to keep granny alive, then you can mortgage your house to do it. But the taxpayers are not in the business of keeping old people alive past their productive years.
One illegal alien working in construction is worth a lot more than one 70 year old granny who worked all her life and now needs a hip replacement.
The irrationality of the scare tactic arguments is just amazing!Obama: The rich have the Federal Reserve and the poor have Harry Reid... LOL. Life really is unfair!
August 8th, 2009, 02:58 PM #9
August 8th, 2009, 03:05 PM #10
When one listens to what the right-wing says it is afraid of, it really does sound like Ronald Reagan, in the 1960s, ranting and raving about how Medicare is going to destroy our freedom and way of life.Conservatives: "If the facts disagree with our opinion, ignore the facts -- or at least misrepresent them."
August 8th, 2009, 03:05 PM #11But the taxpayers are not in the business of keeping old people alive past their productive years. One illegal alien working in construction is worth a lot more than one 70 year old granny who worked all her life and now needs a hip replacement.
August 8th, 2009, 03:16 PM #12
August 8th, 2009, 03:23 PM #13
Politics of fear.
They wouldnt shut down the respirators. Maybe just let her pass from malnutrition, neglect or bed-sores so the productive ROI people can be treated. You know, the D-cells who keep the economy afloat and not a drain.
Ever hear of the values clarification game called "lifeboat" where there is only room for two people out of five and decisions must be made who lives or dies based on future viability? Is this a decision you want to relinquish from the family?
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August 8th, 2009, 08:41 PM #14[sarcasm]Yea, we see how Medicare is shutting of senior's respirators every day.[/sarcasm]Obama: The rich have the Federal Reserve and the poor have Harry Reid... LOL. Life really is unfair!
August 8th, 2009, 10:51 PM #15
And who has 'means'? $250k per year? $100k per year? If the tax for the health care was voluntary, I'd have no problem. Opt out and get private. But it doesn't work like that. You have to pay the premium whether you have the insurance or not. And you think the insurance companies are bad!
August 9th, 2009, 07:39 AM #16
August 9th, 2009, 09:28 AM #17Those without means currently either don't have coverage at all; are on Medicaid; or must take whatever their private coverage offers.
But Democrats don't consider that "coverage" for some reason.Obama: The rich have the Federal Reserve and the poor have Harry Reid... LOL. Life really is unfair!
August 9th, 2009, 09:54 AM #18
"The idea that doing nothing and going on without changing the way this country's health care is delivered works to the benefit only of the insurance companies, the giant health care providers and the big pharmaceutical companies." source
August 9th, 2009, 01:23 PM #19
Michelle Malkin » Death panels? What death panels? Oh, those death panels
Meanwhile, the effects of socialized medicine in Britain — engineered by government-run cost-cutting panels on which Obamacare would be modeled — continue to wreak havoc on the elderly and infirm:
*Elderly left at risk by NHS bidding wars to find cheapest care with reverse auctions
*Patients forced to live in agony after NHS refuses to pay for painkilling injections
*Elderly suffer in care shambles
*Twisted priorities that let the elderly suffer
*NHS neglects elderly depression.
*NHS failure on Down’s screening kills healthy babies
*‘I said to the nurse, please feed her:’ Pauline Pringle’s mother went into hospital for a hip operation and came out close to starvation. And as Blake Morrison reports, hers is not an isolated caseSuddenly a robust, cheerful woman of 79, whose only mobility problem had been climbing stairs, began to talk of never leaving hospital again but of being “laid out on a marble slab” - and when the hospital asked for our permission not to resuscitate her should she lose consciousness, we realised this was no paranoid fantasy.Pauline Pringle wasn’t lucky. Her mother Sarah Ingham died around the same time and in similar circumstances, on January 6 last year: a badly dislocated hip was missed and after the operation that eventually followed, Sarah spent 12 weeks in Tameside hospital, Manchester, failing to shake off a post-operative infection and - denied a proper diet - losing three and a half stone in weight. She was then sent home, where the local GP knew nothing of her discharge and didn’t recognise her as the same woman he’d seen three months earlier. She died within a fortnight. At the inquest the coroner, John Pollard, said that he would be writing to the hospital to demand an explanation for Sarah’s malnourishment: “It is totally unsatisfactory in a major city in a western democracy that families have to bring food into a hospital because their loved ones are not being fed properly by staff.”
…One much quoted figure suggests that up to half a million elderly people in the UK are being abused at any one time. Unlike child abuse, elder abuse is rarely reported beyond local newspapers, and those who inflict it are less likely to be held to account.
When a House of Commons health committee produced its report, Elder Abuse, in 2004, it suggested that “abuse in domiciliary settings is the commonest type”. Overall, though, whereas the old are more likely to be robbed of money or possessions by their nearest and dearest, they’re more likely to starve to death in a hospital or care home. Dr Adrian Treloar, a specialist in geriatric psychiatry, caused a furore in 1999 when he applied the phrase “involuntary euthanasia” to the way in which elderly patients in NHS hospitals were being deprived of food and water and “left at the bottom of the pile”.“I was told that my daughter had Down’s when I was about 12 weeks pregnant and every doctor, gynaecologist I saw tried to convince me a termination was the best option. I was still offered this at 26 weeks! One reason given to me by a cold-hearted consultant was that ‘these babies put a strain on the NHS’. My daughter was stillborn and when pregnant again, I refused all tests apart from a scan. It’s not society who are looking for the ‘perfect baby’, it’s the medical profession.”Usually, terrible things that are done with the excuse that progress requires them are not really progress, but just terrible things.
August 9th, 2009, 04:52 PM #20
Right, we can't find any instances of private insurance horror stories.
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