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October 1st, 2009, 02:14 PM
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| | Prof. of DooGlian Studies
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| NEWS: Million-year Older H0MINID Link Found.
Ardi --formally known as Ardipithecus ramidus — which means root of the ground ape, was found along the Afar rift in Ethiopia. the find is detailed in 11 research papers published Thursday [today?] by the journal Science.
This finding is viewed to support the evolutionary theory of divergent evolution of modern man and modern chimp/ape from a common link rather than man from primordial chimp/ape. Quote: World’s oldest human-linked skeleton found
'Ardi’ predates Lucy by a million years, changes scientific view of origins
By Randolph E. Schmid
updated 7:29 a.m. PT, Thurs., Oct . 1, 2009
WASHINGTON - The story of humankind is reaching back another million years with the discovery of “Ardi,” a hominid who lived 4.4 million years ago in what is now Ethiopia.
The 110-pound, 4-foot female roamed forests a million years before the famous Lucy, long studied as the earliest skeleton of a human ancestor.[Emphasis supplied]
This older skeleton reverses the common wisdom of human evolution, said anthropologist C. Owen Lovejoy of Kent State University.
Rather than humans evolving from an ancient chimplike creature, the new find provides evidence that chimps and humans evolved from some long-ago common ancestor — but each evolved and changed separately along the way.
| World’s oldest human-linked skeleton found - Science- msnbc.com
Also,this Interactive displays signs that human activity itself is changing the evolution of some species as they fairly rapidly evolve to accomadate human intervention.
Seven signs of evolution in action - Science- msnbc.com
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Reason: [B]Evolutionary Orthography[/B]
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October 1st, 2009, 11:41 PM
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STOP THE PRESSES!!!
crap, now we gotta change all the science textbooks again.
it's all right, we'll just jack the rates up...college kids won't mind.
grrr.....
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October 1st, 2009, 11:55 PM
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Originally Posted by tony_j15 STOP THE PRESSES!!!
crap, now we gotta change all the science textbooks again.
it's all right, we'll just jack the rates up...college kids won't mind.
grrr..... | What is it they need to change in all the science textbooks again?
Do you have a science textbook?
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October 2nd, 2009, 01:03 AM
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It goes like this, every time REAL paleontologists find evidence the "science textbooks" must be rewritten to include the new information. For example, I was taught that the Piltdown man was a true scientific find in 1976, when it had been found out to be a hoax way back in 1953 - 23 years earlier. IF the books aren't kept up to date the children will be taught the wrong things.
Also, there is ALWAYS a serious lag between when evidence is found, and when it gets published. Ardi and the other individuals have been studied since they were found in the mid 90s. Best as I can figure that is 15-20 year lag between finding proof and publishing results of the analysis.
IF we expect our children to have a chance they need the VERY BEST information we can give them.
Talking about changing published books, even National Geographic gets things wrong. Remember Archeoraptor.
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October 2nd, 2009, 01:30 AM
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this.
Gomer, I think you are insinuating something and if so, I would prefer it to either be plainly said or retracted.
Example: my Biology textbook (one of three science texts I have right now, thank you very much) is the "latest and greatest" version that i shelled out around 100 bucks for. Our school refuses to allow older versions (which I understand), but now the publishers are going to change three or four paragraphs in chapter 1 and jack the price up again. Not cool. | |
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October 2nd, 2009, 01:50 AM
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who told you that science is a constant? that guy should be shot...
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October 2nd, 2009, 02:36 AM
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| | Prof. of DooGlian Studies
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There is a bigger problem in textbooks on the Elementary and High School level:'The second biggest State by population has the Texas Textbook Authority which buys books for all the State's public schools.
If a publisher wants to sell to Texas then it must make Texas politically acceptable and culturally syntonic chages to the "true facts". Since these textbooks are also intended to be sold in many States, so goes the Dallas Cowbows, so go the other States textbooks.
Our primary and secondary textbooks contain the doofiest history and platitudinous science, while our college textbooks are priced at levels that suggest somebody is getting a kickback for choosing them.
Often when a textbook is successful at an Ivy league U's two semester course on economics or psychology etc., it get's dumned down to sel to lesser colleges' one semester course. Edition 2 is often thinner then edition one. And costs more money.Did the history of the Roman Empire really change so much between the Second and Third edition? This is a total scam.
Besides, much information changes too rapidly in some fields to even make testbooks the ideal choice. Some schools use pre-printed Packs made up of royalty-paid Journal articles and/or are online to allow for more fluid and less expensive changes.
Anyhow, children should be tought that knowledge is the reward of righteousness i.e. hard work and has to be earned. "Judge for Yourself" is a valid goal of education.
Of course, no society really wants too many free-thinkers fouling up the works. I had my philosophy books from the public library "confiscated" and not returned when my elementary and junior high school teachers could not read them.
Gee, Maybe our mental development hasn't changed as much as our physical.
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October 2nd, 2009, 08:17 AM
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| | Fact Checker
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Originally Posted by tony_j15 ^^^
this.
Gomer, I think you are insinuating something and if so, I would prefer it to either be plainly said or retracted.
Example: my Biology textbook (one of three science texts I have right now, thank you very much) is the "latest and greatest" version that i shelled out around 100 bucks for. Our school refuses to allow older versions (which I understand), but now the publishers are going to change three or four paragraphs in chapter 1 and jack the price up again. Not cool. | I was insinuating nothing. If I was, I would have added the word "even" to the mix.
I asked if you have a science textbook. I'm glad you claim to have three. I'd like you to look into your textbooks and quote some specifics that will need to be changed. Which 3 or 4 paragraphs in chapter 1 need to be changed?
You said that all textbooks need to be changed now because of this. I doubt that many of them go into such detail that this would they would need to be revised. I'm guessing if they already go into any detail at all... that they already discuss the theory of divergent evolution.
What the doog cited is far more serious of a problem for textbooks (and their price) than this discovery was.
And as vern stated, and you seem to support his statements, science textbooks should be updated periodically. Especially any that are more than a survey of a subject.
When you posted your original post in this thread, I perceived some sort of outrage over this fact. That they should update the textbooks seemed to upset you. I didn't understand this. I still don't. What is it that you think they are doing wrong?
But back to what you think I was insinuating...
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Originally Posted by tony_j15 and yes, I believe the Earth is most likely no more than 10,000 years old. Probably closer to six thousand. |
If you thought I was insinuating that you've got your head up your ass when it comes to discussing science, you're spot on that I think that (but as stated above, that wasn't what I was driving at). Was that plainly stated enough? I thought I had cleared that up in that same thread:
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Originally Posted by Gomer Say what you want about ToE... But Geology is a "hard science". It is a fundamental science. And if you lack the ability to comprehend the age of the earth and the science behind it, the only scientific discoveries you're going to be capable of are similar to the ones that the lad at the science fair made. |
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October 2nd, 2009, 09:02 AM
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I recognize Ardi from one of the tea-parties! | |
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October 2nd, 2009, 09:27 AM
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And I think Ardi would want many of the debate members to get a hotel room and work out thier sexual tension on each other 
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