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October 14th, 2009, 09:15 AM
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| Afghanistan: Are we that stupid?
We can't afford health care reform because it's going to cost the taxpayer too much money. Our economy is still in a state of complete limbo which will no doubt crash right after the holidays. Unemployment rate is at 9.5% and climbing. 2 out of the big 3 automakers in bankruptcy, blah blah blah.
And we feel the need to occupy another black hole in the Middle east? Billions of dollars for what? Whats the objective? Rebuild another nation??? LOL, yeah ok. Here's what you got going for you in Afghanistan: - massively corrupt government on all levels
- nation ruled by warlords and tribe leaders on a local level
- we are again completely unwanted by an unwilling and uncooperative people
- enemy (Taliban) funded by allie (Pakistan)
- lack of personel and resources, 67,000 there now (est. 600,000 needed)
- lack of any clear objective, it will change daily
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Even with additional troops, McChrystal concluded that corruption still could let terrorists turn Afghanistan back into a haven, according to officials at the Pentagon and White House.
| Do we really need to occupy a country and rebuild it for the sole objective of making sure Taliban or al qaeda do not have fertile breeding grounds? What the hell are we paying the CIA or the NSA for?
What a waste.
(........and don't get sick)
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October 14th, 2009, 09:44 AM
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Update your profile here to include your City. That way the Taliban can come visit you right in your own backyard.
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October 14th, 2009, 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Steve R Jones  Update your profile here to include your City. That way the Taliban can come visit you right in your own backyard. | Yeah, that's been a huge problem lately.  | |
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October 14th, 2009, 10:16 AM
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Great. Looks like the light bulb went off on your end  | |
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October 14th, 2009, 10:21 AM
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Afghanastan is a lost cause. focus all those funds on iraq. It has potential  | |
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October 14th, 2009, 11:00 AM
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Zen:
(Iraq = Money down the drain) = Bullcrap
Iraq = Showing Balls = Good Quote:
Originally Posted by zen Oh, the war in Iraq makes you sick to your liberal stomach? Why are you so selective in your disgust of wasteful government spending? You think its money down the drain? Bullcrap. Below is money down the drain. At least we're showing some balls in the middle east, and ..what a coincindence, we're sitting right next to Iran. |
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Originally Posted by M_Six Iraq is and always has been that way as long as someone wasn't holding them down with force. That is why we never should have gone in. The Iraqis deserved Saddam. And it'll take another Saddam-like dictator to restore peace, except the next one may be an Islamic fundamentalist with a grudge against the West. Afghanistan is the same way. We needed to go eliminate the Taliban, and we should have done it with an overwhelming force and done it right the first time. But the idiot in the Oval Office decided to go stir up this mess in Iraq and left the game in Afghanistan short of players. |
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Originally Posted by zen Hells Bells I agree! |
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Iraq WMD = Bullshit
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Originally Posted by zen Seriously, I dont know how this guy still has a job.
He advises Bush that Iraq does posess WMD, and calls it a "slam dunk".
More like a "strike out".
Think he's a scapegoat? |
Iraq = Justified
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Originally Posted by zen So your saying Saddam wasn't a brutal dictator?
Whats your solution? Watch the guy gas thousands of kurds, take over another country, thumb his nose to inspections? Watch the twin towers drop and say, "oh, thats a shame".
Its about time we went on the offensive. Long overdue. We now have every radical terrorist in the middle east fighting for Iraq. The party is in their backyard, not ours. Let em come. One by one they fall.
You continue to harp about this not being justified. Look at the big picture. Its called national security. God help us if Kerry gets elected. You know thats who the terrorist want in office right? Strange company. |
Middle East history = Confusing As Hell
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Originally Posted by zen A good read. Here's another quote: Quote: |
It is easy to ignite a civil war, whether out of fanaticism or out of intolerable naivete. George Bush, the (not-so-) Quiet American, runs around the world hawking his patent medicines, "freedom" and "democracy", in total ignorance of hundreds of years of history.
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Hundreds of years of history. Hmmmmmm. Is it possible that the last hundred years of history in the Middle east are confusing as hell? Arabs cannot get along with Arabs or anyone else for that matter. Been that way for a thousand years.
I don't think democracy will ever fly in Iraq, Iran, Syria, or Lebanon, but to say the President is ignorant of Middle east history I think is naive. He knows about it. And it makes very little sense. Tribes fighting tribes. Sunni's killing Shiite's. Shiites killing Sunni. Kurds killing Sunni, etc.
Todays enemy may be tomorrows friend. Then your enemy a week later. Constantly fighting, for thousands of years! Sure there's history, but nothing that makes too much sense.. |
Middle East History = So simple it can be itemized
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Originally Posted by zen Lebanese Civil War (1958)
North Yemen Civil War (1966-1968)-Also involved Egypt and Saudi Arabia.
Dhofar Rebellion in Oman (1960's-1970's)-Also involved Iran and Britain.
Jordanian Civil War (1970)-Also involved Syria and the PLO.
Lebanese Civil War (1975-1990)-Also involved Israel, Syria and the PLO.
Yemeni War (1979)--Involved North and South Yemen.
First Persian Gulf War (1980-1988)-Iran vs. Iraq
"The Tanker War" (1987-1988)-This is the component of the First Persian Gulf War that involved the U.S. and Kuwait. In an attempt to halt Kuwaiti aid for Iraq, as well as Iraqi oil sales and deliveries, Iran attacked oil tankers in the Gulf. The U.S. stepped in to protect the Kuwaiti ships and came engaged in combat with Iran's Navy and Revolutionary Guards. Also known by the U.S. code-name "Operation Earnest Will."
Second Persian Gulf War (1990-1991)
The "No-Fly Zone War " (1991-2003)
Yemeni Civil War (1994)
Yemen-Eritrea Border Conflict (1996?)
Yemeni Tribal Uprising (1998)
Saudi-Yemen Border Conflict (1998)
Hmmmm.........seems the whole area can't get along with each other as well.(And thats just the last 50yrs!) Oh well cm, nice try. |
...it goes on and on.
Zen, your communications make no rational sense to me. They so often contradict each other and seem to hold no real philosophy, flip flopping more than a cheap beach. You make a good point, and then turn right around and spit on people who make a similar one.
That's not to say one shouldn't change course if discovered to be going in the wrong direction, but you seem to be going in circles and quite insistent that you know where you're going.
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October 14th, 2009, 11:22 AM
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That whole area of the world is a shithole...let them all kill each other. If they want to mess with the West, we nuke 'em into oblivion. How tough is that? | 
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October 14th, 2009, 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by The Real Bingo That whole area of the world is a shithole...let them all kill each other. If they want to mess with the West, we nuke 'em into oblivion. How tough is that? | still doesnt make things any better for you. you nuke them to oblivion and they come into your cities and kill all your friends and family becasue you cant kill them all. what are you going to do then? nuke them again? (oh by the way if you nuke them then you have no more oil, go figure)
note to any aspiring superpowers: become too big and the little people you trample on to get resources from will bring you down one day. and its going to suck for you. your country is so scared the Middle East is going to use the oil weapon on you again that you make an even bigger mess of things.
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October 14th, 2009, 02:07 PM
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Afghanistan: Are we that stupid? Afghanistan: Are we that stupid?
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October 14th, 2009, 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by SiliconJon Zen, your communications make no rational sense to me. They so often contradict each other and seem to hold no real philosophy, flip flopping more than a cheap beach. You make a good point, and then turn right around and spit on people who make a similar one. | LOL. Poor SJ. Just because I ridicule your tinfoil hat threads doesn't mean you have to go off the deep end! Btw, the topic is Afghanistan not Iraq.
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Originally Posted by sharder8 Speaking of tiny brains . . . How's yours doing SJ???  |
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