FT HOOD attack: 7 killed 12 injured

[jokostel]

True, TRB...
But you guys don't have to start talking about more death, when the men/women that bastard killed aren't even cold.

The bastard will get his just deserves.... be it with a court martial, or in hell.
and for a firing squad, its got to be during a declared time of war, not a bunch of peace keeping "skirmishes"... I doubt they do hangings, at least.... for us citizens.

Either way, the Army will not let those die in vain.

[sharder8]

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Originally Posted by The Real Bingo

List all the massacres ever and tell me what they have in common: one guy with a gun, and everyone else unarmed. It pisses me off because stuff like this can be prevented.

Man, you have no idea what you're talking about TRB.

Stop and use a little common sense . . . there's a big difference between an armed civilian and an armed soldier. Every soldier is trained on how to kill and how to fight defensively as well as offensively. Soldiers face stress on the battlefield, in training, and even at home. PTSD is real and it doesn't disappear overnight or one week, or one month, and yes, for some it can take years of treatment. I've known and served with soldiers that were normal until they had a few beers, then the flashbacks kicked in. I've known soldiers that have had flashbacks in their sleep and have had nightmares that have caused dangerous situations.

And your idea is to arm them on base or place arms and ammo nearby????

I was always on edge for years, after I left combat assignments. I still catch myself watching over my shoulder, keep aware of everything going on around me, and it's been just shy of 25 years. My wife still questions me why I have my back to the wall when we go out to eat. She still doesn't dare try to surprise me from behind . . . yet, I'm as normal as the average person on the street.

These were soldiers getting ready to go into combat . . . they're already facing stress of leaving their loved ones at home. They're feeling stress about public and political opinion . . . and the list goes on. And you want to have them carrying loaded automatic weapons around with them.

You have no clue, KID!!

I feel saddened and sorrow for the families. I want to know what happened and I want to know what will be done to prevent it from happening again. What I don't want is for armchair Generals and politicians to be running their mouths with what they think should have or could have been done differently. The Army will investigate and will determine what went wrong and why. They will determine the best way of preventing it from happening again . . . which is why you don't typically find soldiers running around with loaded weapons in the cantonment area now.


Harder

[jokostel]

Yup.
I knew a few rangers... and my bro in law (x army) is the same way.
You NEVER approach them out of line of sight...
Im bad enough that way.... but being X USAF-- obviously the training I had was a joke compared to the Army or Marines.... but good enough to hone in situational awareness.

[GroundZero3]

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Originally Posted by sharder8

Man, you have no idea what you're talking about TRB.

Stop and use a little common sense . . . there's a big difference between an armed civilian and an armed soldier. Every soldier is trained on how to kill and how to fight defensively as well as offensively. Soldiers face stress on the battlefield, in training, and even at home. PTSD is real and it doesn't disappear overnight or one week, or one month, and yes, for some it can take years of treatment. I've known and served with soldiers that were normal until they had a few beers, then the flashbacks kicked in. I've known soldiers that have had flashbacks in their sleep and have had nightmares that have caused dangerous situations.

And your idea is to arm them on base or place arms and ammo nearby????

I was always on edge for years, after I left combat assignments. I still catch myself watching over my shoulder, keep aware of everything going on around me, and it's been just shy of 25 years. My wife still questions me why I have my back to the wall when we go out to eat. She still doesn't dare try to surprise me from behind . . . yet, I'm as normal as the average person on the street.

These were soldiers getting ready to go into combat . . . they're already facing stress of leaving their loved ones at home. They're feeling stress about public and political opinion . . . and the list goes on. And you want to have them carrying loaded automatic weapons around with them.

You have no clue, KID!!

I feel saddened and sorrow for the families. I want to know what happened and I want to know what will be done to prevent it from happening again. What I don't want is for armchair Generals and politicians to be running their mouths with what they think should have or could have been done differently. The Army will investigate and will determine what went wrong and why. They will determine the best way of preventing it from happening again . . . which is why you don't typically find soldiers running around with loaded weapons in the cantonment area now.


Harder

+1

All military/federal installations are the same. The military is a different world when it comes to rules and procedures. Its hard to understand if didn't grow up in the military/served in the military.

[Epidemic]

it is beginning to sound like Major Hasan was a nutcase with a signs up the yin yang. Everything from an officer who defends the suicide bombers, to questioning the mission. these are not things an officer does with the troops. at home with his friends perhaps but not fighting with collegues and subordinates about it. that in and of itself is bad for moral and should have been dealt with harshly. I guess the heads rolling thing will tell us something over the next few months.

[Cmptr-Gy-Dv]

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Originally Posted by The Real Bingo

Sure, one or two or even three may have been shot...but he would've been stopped before the eleventh or twelfth. An armed populous would prevent massacres like this from happening.

What makes an army base a sacred place? Why are soldiers trusted with loaded weapons in an arena of war, but not at home base?

the real determining factor here is there was a graduation going on, the base was open to civilians, including young kids so no they would not have had everybody running around with M16's,

but they never do anyways, unless your going to live fire training,

[engracio]

Howze theater less than 100m north of the shooting site on thur and fri normally has a graduation ceremony. I graduated on that theater for my BNCOC class in the early 80's. Back then we graduated in class A, dress greens. No weapons.

[Cajunheat]

Well they are reporting that there was a mistake and the slimeball responsible for this survived the shootout. One good thing is that the U.S. military code of justice does have the death penalty.

[osprey4]

As a parent of a Virginia Tech student, I cannot imagine the pain those families must be going through. My prayers go out to them.

And the callousness of those who use this as an opportunity to get on their 2nd amendment soapbox is abhorrent.

[Shipuuden]

I had heard he was afraid he would have to fight against other muslims in iraq/afghanistan when he got deployed...

He should be tried and face the firing squad (if they still have it)...