Thread: Obama speech last night
December 2nd, 2009, 07:21 AM #1
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Obama speech last night
Here is the video of the speech for those who missed it last night.
Video - Breaking News Videos from CNN.com
December 2nd, 2009, 09:17 AM #2
will it be stable until then?
or is it just a retreat to make sure they will vote for obama again as the "hero" who got the troops back?
December 2nd, 2009, 09:48 AM #3
"A Charlie Brown Christmas" was rescheduled to next week because of that speech.Unofficial TechIMO record holder for the number of times being added and removed from beemer's ignore list.
December 2nd, 2009, 10:54 AM #4
2011...good thing it's before the end of the world! So now aside from being a supergenius and a Nobel Prize winner, Obama is also a soothsayer. Joy!
December 2nd, 2009, 11:07 AM #5
Thomas Friedman's take . . .Iraq was about “the war on terrorism.” The Afghanistan invasion, for me, was about the “war on terrorists.” To me, it was about getting bin Laden and depriving Al Qaeda of a sanctuary — period. I never thought we could make Afghanistan into Norway — and even if we did, it would not resonate beyond its borders the way Iraq might.Never send to know for whom the bell tolls . . .
December 2nd, 2009, 11:10 AM #6
December 2nd, 2009, 11:34 AM #7
Ditto to the wait n hide.....OH the US is withdrawing on July 1, 2010...It'll be real safe to go do bad things on July 2nd.The propeller is just a big fan in front of the plane used to keep the pilot cool. When it stops, you can actually watch the pilot start sweating.
December 2nd, 2009, 11:40 AM #8
I suppose my thought is that as the US marks a gradual decline in forces, the insurgents lose a lot of their muster; that is, that they have less to bitch about, and hence aren't as able to recruit maniacs to blow themselves up.Reason obeys itself; and ignorance does whatever is dictated to it.
December 3rd, 2009, 10:42 AM #9
This isn't directly about the speech, but an interesting article from the Monterey County Weekly . . .Naval Postgraduate School Professor Thomas Johnson is one of the nation’s top Afghanistan scholars, but for him, the battle-scarred nation is no academic enterprise. It’s the object of a lifelong fascination that began when he read the stories of Rudyard Kipling in small-town Illinois and dreamed of an impossibly exotic land.
. . .
Johnson has outlined his counter-insurgency strategy in a memo to McChrystal:
Some 20,000 soldiers, along with Afghan National Army troops and police, would mount a close-to-the-ground counter-insurgency campaign with a focus on community development in 200 districts in eastern and southern Afghanistan, overwhelming the Taliban, who control the areas with half that many fighting men. The U.S. forces would aid and empower the region’s village elders, making the insurgents irrelevant.
Although a State Department contact told him in mid-November that his proposal came up at a McChrystal video conference, Johnson doesn’t know if it will influence Obama’s policy.Never send to know for whom the bell tolls . . .
December 3rd, 2009, 09:31 PM #10
No war in the History of Mankind has ever been won where the victor has scheduled not to fight it anymore.
December 3rd, 2009, 09:49 PM #11
Well, I think "wars" have generally been "won" by conquering and holding territory. We do not have that as a long-term objective. As I understand it, our objective is to stabilize some population centers and eliminate some al-Qaeda and Taliban forces while we help build Afghani security forces. If we can't do that as planned, then maybe we'll need a new strategy.
In any case, having goals with timelines attached to them is the first step to any significant effort -- war or otherwise.Never send to know for whom the bell tolls . . .
December 3rd, 2009, 09:58 PM #12
Yeah, I'm gonna have to go with pex on that one. I think in a way the WWII was the last traditional war, there was korea but that never technically ended, so I am not sure if it counts.
What we have now aren't wars per se, Afghanistan never attacked or even agitated us, what they did was harbor our enemies. What are fighting for isn't territory, or spoils, but stability, and security.Reason obeys itself; and ignorance does whatever is dictated to it.
December 4th, 2009, 12:26 AM #13
December 4th, 2009, 02:17 AM #14
I have only 2 points.... Only a Military Moron thinks that Vietnam and Afghanistan are comparable in any respect. Only a Military Moron thinks war is like a football with clock to time its end. Interesting that COMBAT VETS UNDERSTAND THIS CLEARLY and those totally ignorant in military matters think otherwise. Anyone that thinks Obama is serious about a pre-planed withdraw date no matter the situation is nuts. We will win this war in 2 years at the latest.Obama Lies
December 4th, 2009, 09:04 AM #15
President Obama tried to placate some people by setting a date. He tried to appease others by also including "conditions on the ground" verbiage.
B*D, what is your definition of winning this war? What is achievable in Afghanistan?Never send to know for whom the bell tolls . . .
December 4th, 2009, 09:41 AM #16
PRIMARY GOAL 97% destruction of Al-Queda, destroy them as any kind of fighting force and a permanent reminder that this nation will pursue the destruction of any group that kills our people, even with a great cost attached. That we will come after those from the otherside of the world and destroy those who protect them.Obama Lies
December 4th, 2009, 10:18 AM #17
The mention of a dead-line is to release the Afghan population that is suspicious of America's motives, which they fear is to occupy and control Afghanistan. It also is a clear marker for when the Afghan government needs to step up to the plate.
At the same time, White House OKs wider use of Pakistan dronesBy increasing covert pressure on Al Qaeda and its allies in Pakistan, while ground forces push back the Taliban’s advances in Afghanistan, American officials hope to eliminate any haven for militants in the region.Conservatives: "If the facts disagree with our opinion, ignore the facts -- or at least misrepresent them."
December 4th, 2009, 12:01 PM #18
December 4th, 2009, 12:27 PM #19
Let's kick some ass and take some names for 18 months, call it a day and get the hell out of dodge. Regardless.
My hat's off to the men and women fighting over there... the Taliban does not strike me as a weak adversary.
December 4th, 2009, 01:01 PM #20
Now the unknown factor here is the Afghanistan government. Time will tell on that front, but that is where I think dates and deadlines are helpful.Never send to know for whom the bell tolls . . .
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